Ukraine Gangster State Calls for 'Nuclear Strikes'

[Editor's note: We should precise that the Odessa Massacre referred to here is the recent event of 2 May 2014, in order to avoid confusion with the Odessa Massacre of 1941. The 2 May 2014 atrocity is reported here
and here:http://scgnews.com/the-odessa-massacre-what-really-happened among many other sources.]

Hi Dennis K.
Hope you will appreciate that I have gone to some trouble to respond carefully.

You wrote that "
This article destroys its own credibility by using the word "Nazi" ad infinitum."

Hadn't noticed such excessive use of 'Nazi' in this article, but agree that Daniel Bushell's work is very confronting and generally scares me, so I don't look at it all that often. That said, he is usually right, just too close to the awful truth. For me, the Nazi ideology in the Svoboda political party in Ukraine seems undeniable and fits into the history of Russia vs Nazi affiliations in Ukraine. We will try to get together an 'About Ukraine and the Nazis' page on candobetter.net to deal with this one.

You also write:
"That term is 70 years old. Can people not think of anything new to label political opponents? I mean, the original hippies that used it are in nursing homes now."

An oldie but not a goodie? That is the way I thought it might be at first, as a kind of grotesque attempt to label a nationalist movement in Ukraine. Footage of the Svoboda leader, Oleh Tyahnybok,[1] was kind of persuasive that he really is a Nazi, but it was the participation of Svoboda and the extreme persecution of communists and anti-Kiev protesters at the Odessa Massacre, that convinced me, on top of the special history of Ukraine vis a vis Nazis and the official celebration of the role of a Nazi collaborator ( Stepan Bandera) in the second world war. The extreme cruelty of the Svoboda paramilitary at the Odessa massacre, seemed very Nazi style, and they wore Nazi insignia. They barricaded the doors of a trade union building where anti-government protesters were then set fire. When people jumped out the windows but survived, there was systematic beating of those survivors and, notably, they were ultimately stabbed or strangled to death. Apparently those who made it to hospital all had stab wounds as well as burns and injuries from jumping. [The footage is widely available and there are multiple direct reports. See the film called "Fascism as it is" by Andrew Karulov embedded in the notes below for a statement on this.] Reports also exist about how snipers targeted both sides of the Maidan. These also seemed like hallmarks of fascism, and since the Nazi insignia appears prominently among people in the crowds, and the Svoboda logo seems derived from the Nazi insignia, no matter how vieux jeux this may seem, I do find it credible. Oh, also, attacks on people marching in anti-Nazi war commemoration parades in Ukraine. Some references for these statements in the footnote. [2]

Fashion is one thing and you can have fascism under different names, but the ultimate use for Nazi and like movements is to frighten other citizens into submission. They are doing this very well in Ukraine. (See [2] again)

You also wrote:

"Nazi" is used so often to describe people against global ethnic homogenisation, its no wonder that young people end up adopting Nazi imagery as means of saying "F$%# You" to the system.

Initially you seemed to question whether there really are actual Nazis operating at a significant level in Ukraine (Kiev side). Just above, you seem to concede that young people may indeed be adopting Nazi imagery as a means of revolt against a system that marginalises them. So you seem to be saying that they are putting on a kind of act, but not sincerely being Nazis. However, it is clear that some people wearing Nazi insignia are going through with the whole thing - anti-communist, sadistic, bullying, beating up citizens and politicians, and political murder - where the Odessa massacre is only one example of several to hand.

You say:

Is the tail wagging the dog here? Is the mainstream media and popular repetition of the "Nazi" theme causing young people to take it up in opposition to the globalist ideals of that media?

Well, this is something you and I have touched on before here. That is, that people may feel they have nowhere to go except towards the extreme right in order to find expression of their disagreement with mass immigration taking over their jobs and communities. It is probably true that the globalist media has a role in modeling some of this behaviour. I would suggest that the behaviour is also manipulated to a large degree by power elites (sorry about the cliche)via the globalist media in order to sow unrest in the communities they seek to disorganise, by getting people acting out roles of Nazis to frighten ordinary citizens and attack alternative political organisations, especially communists and socialists.

However, my understanding is that in Ukraine the Nazi narrative (with its historical opposition to communism) has a long-lasting life of its own since WW2 due to oppression under the Soviet regime causing people to embrace the Nazi promise to liberate Ukraine from communism. Even though the Nazis had a documented plan to get rid of the Ukrainians and slavs, many Ukrainians believed them and presumably felt they had little choice. This acknowledges that the Stalinist regime was a terrifying and deadly one. It does not however take the position, for instance, that communism or socialism are any worse than capitalism and, if they embody social rights, I would say they are better. However, I also have a position that anarchism - or local democracy - is better than any overarching political hierarchy. People prefer to retain power in their local communities and delegate upwards, rather than receive policies from distant imposed governments - such as the Victorian State Government - when those governments do not really represent them and do not really permit them any significant say in public life. I prefer the European system of communes - like France's (which is unfortunately changing).

So, again, my understanding is that there is significant actual Nazi activity, however anachronistic that may seem to someone in Australia today.

The globalist capitalist agenda is also to blame by removing social protections and promoting rampant unemployment, unfair wages, criminal powerbrokers in the form of the oligarchs who behave like an ultra-rich mafia - as they also do in the United States, Russia and elsewhere, but here they are promoted unfettered by the United States and NATO.[3]

You wrote:
I would hazard a guess it does, just how people became "satanists" to rebel against Christian moral tightness.

There may as you say be something in that, however my understanding of Satanism is that it is seen as another way to get power over people, just as the Christian religion is. i.e. they are both kinds of political systems that use magical thinking (praying, sacrifices, deities etc). The Christian Church (with christianity as its doctrine or ideology) was the major form of government in the Middle Ages and was one of the forces, along with royalty that battled the French revolutionary forces and Napoleon. Satanism was also derived from 'pagan' or naturalistic religions of animism etc and these religions - like local governments by clans and tribes - were taken over by the Roman empire with its gods and later by the Roman Church (which became the ideological head of the Roman Empire). So pagans were designated as anti-Christ. Where the 'devil' came in I am not sure, but there must have been a lot of opportunities.

You wrote:
Oh, and of course the russian media would say this!

Criticism of the media needs more analysis than this. I find that RT interviews people on both sides, whereas the mainstream anglo (and EU media) does not. There are also numerous alternative sites to get more info from, and people whom one can actually contact. RT gives a lot more detail and variation and documents that you can investigate, whereas the mainstream media in US/Australia gives almost nothing but rumour and does not even acknowledge the other side. The Oz media representation of the recent downing of aircraft has been almost pure fiction, totally illogical and based on no evidence at all and leaving out entirely the role of the Kiev regime. Its political theory seems to be some pop-psychology one about personalities on the world stage. Sorry, but that ignores the geopolitics entirely. In fact, it is my strong impression that the Australian PM was so taken in by his disinformation sources that he actually had absolutely no idea even that there was bombfire going on in East Ukraine all the time, making his suggestion of putting in an international force to safeguard the accident scene completely ridiculous. And that is just one of my criticisms. See my articles for further ones.

NOTES, REFERENCES
[1] Oleh Tyahnybok is the leader of Svoboda. Although criminal proceedings against him for anti-semitism have not yet succeeded, his actions and words embrace Nazi-values of anti-semitism, anti-communism, and violence. A reference to start with is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleh_Tyahnybok#cite_ref-SIEKP81212_2-0":
"In October 1991 Tyahnybok became a member of the Social-National Party of Ukraine. He is characterised as representative of Ukraine's far right. From 1994 until 1998, Tyahnybok served as a member of the Lviv Regional Council. In 1998, Tyahnybok was first elected to the Ukrainian Parliament as a member of Social-National Party of Ukraine; in the parliament he became a member of the People's Movement of Ukraine faction. In 2002, Tyahnybok was reelected to the Ukrainian parliament as a member of Victor Yushchenko’s Our Ukraine bloc. In parliament he submitted 36 motions for debate, but the parliament adopted only four of them. In the majority of his motions, he opposed the introduction of the Russian language as the second official state language; proposed recognition of the fighting role of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian Insurgent Army during World War II; called for the lustration (regulation of political involvement) of former communist officials, security service officers and undercover agents; and demanded the prohibition of communist ideology. None of these motions was adopted.
On 20 July 2004 Tyahnybok was expelled from the Our Ukraine parliamentary faction after he made a speech in the Carpathian Mountains at the gravesite of a commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. In the speech, which was aired on television in the summer of 2004, he made comments such as,
"[You are the ones] that the Moscow-Jewish mafia ruling Ukraine fears most"
and
"They were not afraid and we should not be afraid. They took their automatic guns on their necks and went into the woods, and fought against the Muscovites, Germans, Jews and other scum who wanted to take away our Ukrainian state.""
[2] The following film contains footage of violent fascist and nationalist activities with neo-nazi insignica prominent and public. In the film, people are seen repeatedly carrying an image of Stepan Bandera, who collaborated with the Nazis in WW2 in an effort to achieve Ukrainian independence from Stalin's regime. Roman Shukhevych who was a political assassin and carried out many executions of Poles during WW2 for the Nazis is also celebrated as a hero in this footage. That this ambiguous hero is celebrated widely and publicly in Ukraine gives insight into how ambivalent the Ukraine population may be towards Nazi philosophy. Oleh Tyahnybok is also shown as a public figure in one of these events, around 08.15 minutes. At 9.33 minutes footage of the unbelievably awful Odessa Massacre begins. Note that other massacres of people in public buildings have also occurred in the same style in Ukraine since then, but I cannot document everything here. At 12.02 we see Victoria Nuland (foreign ambassador for United States) and John McCain in company with Oleh Tyahnybok and the acting President of Ukraine, Oleksandr Valentynovych Turchynov, who was also received by the President of the United States, prior to Porischenko being 'elected'.

Below is a less sensational, but with more detailed documentation, film by journalists about fascism in Ukraine today. It documents murders and disappearances, harassment of journalists, and shows some footage from the Odessa Massacre as well as other incidents.

Battleground Ukraine by Professor Andrei Fursov
[3] Promotion of fascists and oligarchs by US/NATO: I'll refer to the above film from 12.02 minutes and note that the US has constantly suppressed criticism of Ukraine or even consideration of its likely role in the bringing down of the Dutch airliner and of its continuous bombing of East Ukraine, its use of Nazis, etc. See the first part of this video compilation: