Just check out the file for now, folks.
Add comments as you come up with them.
Sheila Newman and Ilan Goldman
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Comments
Tom Wayburn (not verified)
Sat, 2006-12-30 22:21
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EROI
Dick Lawrence (not verified)
Sun, 2006-12-31 05:00
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Nuke processing ERoEI
Dave Kimble (not verified)
Sun, 2006-12-31 10:49
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comparison with ISA spreadsheet
G. R. L. Cowan,... (not verified)
Sun, 2006-12-31 12:20
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Electricity output
G. R. L. Cowan,... (not verified)
Mon, 2007-01-01 06:58
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On closer inspection
Sheila Newman
Mon, 2007-01-01 16:26
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Reply to Tom Wayburn's comment on EROEI of conventional nuclear
Sheila Newman
Mon, 2007-01-01 16:41
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Reply to Dick Lawrence's comment on EROEI conventional nuclear
Sheila Newman
Mon, 2007-01-01 22:56
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Melb Univ study and why the mix of enriching technologies?
Sheila Newman
Mon, 2007-01-01 23:37
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Factor of 25 fixed, thanks
Dave Kimble (not verified)
Tue, 2007-01-02 11:13
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That should read Sydney Uni
G. R. L. Cowan,... (not verified)
Wed, 2007-01-03 07:23
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Power production? Or lots of really big sabres to rattle?
tom
Thu, 2007-01-04 09:51
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ER / EI of nuclear
G. R. L. Cowan,... (not verified)
Fri, 2007-01-05 04:37
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Tom, when you should be saying
G. R. L. Cowan (not verified)
Sun, 2007-05-27 09:00
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The maths of dilution of radioactive material collection?
"What are the maths of dilution of radioactive material collecting above ground", is the title of Yahoo energy resources post. They're somewhat difficult, and I am not entirely on top of them yet, but I found this pdf document at www.rertr.anl.gov enlightening.
Its Figure 2, shows how the radioactivity, measured as a proportion of a fission reactor's heat production, varies with time after the reactor is shut down. At the left side the graph cuts off at 200 days post-shutdown, i.e., doesn't show the heat production fraction for earlier times.
If the missing trace from 200 days to zero days were there, it would require a screen or a piece of paper 140 times taller, because at the instant of shutdown the fraction, I happen to know, is 0.07, not 0.0005. But in those early days it's also dropping very fast, so to plot them, we would make the divisions hours or days rather than the hundreds of days in the chart we have, and we would make the vertical units larger. What this, I think, means is that the chart would look the same.
Three equations are plotted; they all give close-enough results. The one that I find useful, although I recognize that it doesn't look very nice, is the one labelled U. & W., Untermyer and Weills:
... where 'T_0' is how long the reactor was on and 't' is how long ago it shut down, both in seconds. This can be simplified if we approximate the time the reactor is on. 'T_0', as infinity; this causes the "^(-0.2)" terms that include it to become zero, so we can cross them out:
... and get this:
What good is that?
Well, we can interpret the post-shutdown time in seconds 't' as the time a man-made radioactive nucleus takes to escape and become diluted. Suppose it takes ten years, i.e. 316 million seconds. Then the delayed power in the escaped, diluted man-made radioactive material is this fraction of the power of the reactor that we suppose to have been running, and leaking, forever:
... and that's:
... and that's:
If you are able to put the whole equation, with a finite value for 'T_0', into a spreadsheet you will find that reactors that have run less than forever will have built up slightly less ten-years-delayed leakage. After infinite time, the radioactive nuclei that have escaped to the wild are decaying, and emitting their radiation, exactly as fast as new leakage replaces them; after long but finite times, they are decaying almost as fast, and therefore their activity is building up slowly.
So, for a collection of reactors that over many decades averages 1 trillion watts of total heat production, and have spent fuel pools that are only big enough for ten years' accumulation, and spent fuel older than that is all totally leaked and dispersed, we know the environmental radioactivity due to them will asymptotically approach 0.00028 trillion watts, 280 megawatts. It will forever get closer but never quite there.
To decide whether that can be "put safely into the world system on a dilute basis", you could compare it to the megawattage of radioactivity naturally dilute in, um, nature. That's actually the easy part because the dilute radioactivity in nature doesn't noticeably vary in a human lifetime. I'll return to this if there is some interest.
Sheila N (not verified)
Sat, 2007-06-16 22:10
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The maths of dilution of radioactive material collection
Sheila Newman
Thu, 2008-05-15 21:01
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Rough EROEI of Nuclear on Candobetter leads to chapter in book