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If this is a typical EROI study, they have left out the cost of commerce and the energy exxpenses of the workers that would not have occurred if they had not been employed in this industry. Therefore, the EROI is probably much lower than this very low EROI. I guess we can reject conventional plants out of hand.

MySpace has the pictures, blog-city the comments. Sheds, garages, would be service station, all now used as rental accommodation. To sell your home & land and re-locate could still leave one at a disadvantage as not many are game to go into debt in a small town, and the banks are still not keen to lend, unless you are well up the income bracket.

Like an ant trying to move a boar out of the mud. I prefer to grow my own fruit & vegetables, but the dictates of the coal mining industry dictate what water we can use, so my best bet is rely on my 'grey water.' Rudd would do better in fixing OZ internal problems.

In truth, when I used the greeting 'comrade', it was personal to the green groups themselves. The printing of this letter here was without my knowledge, but later approval. I don't see how a moratorium on development puts pressure on old infrastructure. We don't need 'barriers' to stop people moving to SE Qld, just a lack of houses for them to live in. This would be achieved with a moratorium. You ask "where would they move to?", and I say they can stay where they are! Yes I know water shortages are happening everywhere - people must stop breeding! And we must also put a moratorium on immigration. Australia is overpopulated now. The climate's screwing up, our food stocks are dropping (largely due to the drought), and you think it's alright to increase the population? Moving people to less populated areas fixes nothing. I have just done that myself. I now live in a state of the art eco-house (whose construction DID emit 100 tonnes of CO2!) just north of Noosa, but I am water/energy/waste self sufficient. The people around me aren't though..... as soon as it stops raining, they empty their tanks, and water trucks queue up past my place to refill them..... while my tank overflowed again with the 40mm we received a week ago. See, it fixes nothing if people continue to be stupid. The trouble is, no-one wants to talk about overpopulation. It's taboo, for reasons I can't really fathom. Why? We're not rabbits!? Can't we discuss this like the intelligent beings we are supposed to be? Mike.

Hi Ross, I wouldn't get too hung up on the term 'comrade'. I understand that members of the Labor Party often use this term also. Whether or not we can stop people from coming to Queensland, we have to be clear that adding 1,000,000 to Queensland's population in the last 15 years has seriously degraded our environment and adding another 1.25 million to South East Queensland by 2026 as the SEQ Regional Plan allows may degrade our environemnt beyond the point of no return. If we are clear that we don't want to increase population then we can at least stop encouraging immigration into Queensland as Premier Beattie and Brisbane's Lord Mayor Campbell Newman have been doing. I think tere may be some potential fo rdecentralisation to mitigate the harm of overpopulation, but it should not be used as an excuse to encourage further population growth.

Hi Mike, I'm not sure that use of the term "comrades" will encourage any readers. In fact I believe it will have the reverse effect. The use of that term alone will negate any message you wish to give to others. In correspondence between Green groups it may be acceptable but even there it has overtones which deter potential recruits to your thoughts. Nothing personal, just my immediate reaction to the term. As to whether there is a water or population problem the result is the same is it not? Too many people, not enough water. Stopping development will surely just increase pressure on existing, and old, infrastructure with the obvious results. That is breakdown in the most populated areas as more people try and live in existing housing. Where should they go? Much as I disagree with Mr Beattie on most things even he stated the obvious in that we cannot put up borders to prevent people coming here. It's not just a Brisbane problem either Mike, it's happening everywhere. What I'd prefer to see is incentives given for people to move to less populated areas but that too will create demands for water that probably isn't available right now. The push for recycled water is clearly a problem of lack of planning, foresight and action by all governments here over the last 30 years. They just sat on their hands and let things ride until crisis after crisis began to hit. Thus the push for an unpalatable (excuse the pun) choice. There is also a slight problem with a potential cessation of development. That is unemployment. Because of that such a change will not happen and I would suggest pushing that line will be both fruitless and will embarrass the Greens or green supporters. Rather than focus on the cessation of development I would suggest a more productive approach would be to attack the government(s) that have created this problem and expose them for what they are. I feel that the vote will fail simply because of the stigma, as it did in Toowoomba. It's too easy to discolour the issue and opponents will prey on ignorance, as usual. No offence intended and I do agree with the thrust of your message but reality tells me such efforts will be frustrating and have no chance of success.

Hi James, and all, If there's money in it then it will be used. Man has shown no interest in protecting our future when the day to day wants (greeds actually) present. Should I make money today and forget about the future? Of course I should is the answer of governments, corporations and conveniently placed individuals. Waste of course will always be disposed of safely and securely and no one would ever be tempted to use this source of energy other than wisely. Believe that if you want. The facts are the exacty opposite of course. Man will misuse anything at times and have done so from the dawn of time. We have enough madmen in control of their "buttons" already don't we? Bush for one, as leader of the only country to use such power in war to date. Nuclear power has suddenly become the "light" for John Howard to shine on his Green credentials for what reason? There's money in it of course. Particularly if it is processed here in Australia. What could be more obvious for the next error in choice for energy? Speaking of dinosaurs, did anyone see the item recently on the melting of the permafrost in Siberia? That report stated that the melting will expose massive numbers of mammoth carcases and the resultant release of methane gas is going to be a huge boost to global warming. Perhaps they will get their revenge on us humans simply by lying where they died. And of course, James, dinosaurs still abound in the corridoors of power don't they? If only their end would be as sudden and complete as the real dinosaurs.

Sure, the Australian Government is riding on the coal wagon, at present. Farming is knocked for a six with the drought. Took a while for the townies to wake up that the dams were getting lower & lower. I refused to sell up & leave, even if the busy little social workers worked on my friends & associates to nag me into believing I was usless and getting febbler by the day, on my death bed practically, but what better place to die than among your friends & family. Asking rents are up to $680.00 I read a few weeks back for a simple 4 bedroom miners cottage that would be six dollars a week back in mid 1970's even before the treasurer of the day put a tax on the sub. housing. Then there was the 10 weeks strike. My daughter who lives on the land, [where some of the dams have already dried up] informs me that she is really surrounded by mines, and if they say they want their land to mine, you are forced to sell, at acceptable price, as it is too dangerous to stay. Australia is no better than the Congo, or any other place that International Big Business says, "I want," and takes. Costello has said, China & India want our low ash burning coal, and if you do not oblige, they will just take.. I quit with onlineopinion as management removed a comment of mine, and I so strongly believed in what I was saying, best way was out..

Well, I stand by my ground regarding RN, which is the only bit of the ABC I can stand these days. Most of their presenters are clearly to the progressive/left end of the spectrum. The only right-wingers I can think of offhand are Geraldine Doogue and Michael Duffy (who's explicitly there to counterbalance Philip Adams, in which role he's pretty feeble). I hardly see this type of 'bias' as bad, since (a) it counterbalances the 'mainstream' (ie. corporate right-wing) and (b) there's a kind of balance displayed in RN's recruitment policies, since most intelligent and independent people really do tend to be left-wing. RN's News and Current Affairs coverage is pseudo-balanced, in the sense that they give 'both' sides of debates opportunities to voice their side. There is however a tacit acceptance of 'mainstream' (ie. right-wing) framing. I have an outstanding complaint with them currently regarding their exclusionary use of the word 'family', for example. But I think this is more a question of ovine careerism than bias. Let's face it , the average young career journo isn't especially bright or perspicuous, and has a hard time seeing through the corporate training that Australia forces on its citizens. But then so do most of us.

It's difficult to disagree with much of this item. Timely too given today's "water summit" in Canberra, the upshot of which appears to be that we are in a "once in a thousand year drought". Good one, a country with less than 300 years recorded history can make such ridiculous statements and hope the public just cower in fear and rely on those people we, yes us, voted to lead us through such times. Times when the $ is not just the best thing in our lives (according to our so called leaders), it is the only thing. It is already rumoured that John Howard is gearing up his warchest to open the purse strings yet again, on tax cuts, social security benefits and anything else that can distract the voters from what we need. That is governments who respond to the public rather than boasting about "hard decisions" which is code for policies the public do not want or need. The solution? As Peggy Lee sang "Is that all there is? If that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing. Let's break out the booze, and have a ball, if that's all, there is." Nero sang that song first I understand, although Adam probably hummed the tune as well. Don't bother doing anything, those that hold the power of government will continue as they are. Do nothing, spend big on your buddies and ignore the bleeding obvious until the next election. In our case John Howard is using, and always does, distraction. Scare them as much as possible, tell them as little as possible and rely on public stupidity and apathy to keep electing either the current government or an identical one currently led by a rather large man. Regrettably one who has no plans. Oops, sorry. Kim did promise to "fix global warming" didn't he? Just lie back and think of England. Again, sorry, Australia of course.

Good on you Jill, good letter. I did not know you had taken over as President of the VIC branch.

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