(Article by Sally Pepper)
Who pays for the cost of housing?
So, dear Gen Y, at least you were secure in growing up in a house you could call home and in many cases had a back yard to play in.
Whilst it is truly regrettable that you, Gen Y, will not secure houses of your own as did the Baby Boomers and many of Gen X, it is Gen Z and those who come after, who I feel really sorry for. They probably won’t even experience the pleasure of living in a home which their parents own or are paying off. They have spent or will spend time in crèches and child care as their parents frantically try to maintain two incomes to pay the rent on an apartment or, if they are lucky, to pay off a mortgage on a house with a small back yard on the city’s fringes.
We are all in this together
If you think logically, is it the fault of one generation for whom it was achievable to become the owner of a house with land on one salary, without working hellishly long hours, that the next generation can’t? Is it reasonable for that generation who benefited during childhood from the situation which brought this about, to resent the people with whom they shared this good fortune ?
The fact that Gen Y struggles now for home ownership actually impacts also on the previous generation, their parents, who in many cases, not without stress, still accommodate their adult children when the generation before that, Gen Y’s grand parents, were free of this responsibility at the same stage of their lives.
This was possible because teenagers and young adults could afford to rent or buy a roof over their heads and now they can’t.
As you can see, the decline in ease of attaining home ownership impacts differently on all generations but it impacts all in a negative way. The majority of Baby Boomers get nothing out of this situation and did nothing to bring it about. The dispossession of Gen Y and those beyond is nothing for any of us to feel satisfied about. It is a crisis! In fact the Baby Boomers and some of Gen X largely raised Gen Y, thus it would be perverse and pathological in some way for them not to want them to have at least what the previous generation had! Not to be able to pass on the expectation of home ownership is a terrible failure.
But this is not where the stripping of the hope of real estate ownership from ordinary Australians ends.
Government Stealing your inheritance to pay for Aged Pension
Recently there have been suggestions that the family home be assessed for eligibility for the Age Pension. Some of Gen Y may applaud this, but what it could easily mean is that the family home has to be sold to provide for people in retirement or a reverse mortgage has to be taken out to achieve the same thing. Your despised Baby Boomer parents may well end up without a family home to pass on to you, who so sorely need it! In Australia , the family home is a family’s main asset and this is the main opportunity for the next generation to gain a vestige of financial security. The family home which may have cost your parents only $20,000 -$50,000 when they were earning $10,000 – $15,000 a year could now be worth nearly $1,000,000, a dizzying inflated number that would have made any Baby Boomer gasp back in 1980. The trouble is that owning such an asset does not make the Baby Boomer rich or any less in need of an Age Pension in retirement. It is still the same home.
It is your inheritance!
This was your only chance and it could go.
No time for misplaced resentment
Don’t waste time idly resenting the ordinary rank and file Baby Boomers or Gen X. Neither has stolen from you. They want to hand on to you what is rightfully yours but it may become impossible.
High population growth, 60% from immigration and the selling of real estate overseas to much larger markets is placing enormous demand on housing in Australia. Both these factors are relentlessly pushing up prices. How will you catch up?
Growth pushers want to divide and conquer ordinary Australians
The people who push for this type of growth in demand for real estate love it when kids hate their parents’ generation for having it easy where they don’t. Growth spruiker, Bernard Salt, ridiculed widows living in ordinary houses in ordinary suburbs, saying they were "rattling around" in them and intimating that they should move out.
There has been a lot of propaganda against the Baby Boomer generation who are largely ordinary people who made some sacrifices in order to attain home ownership (interest rates were very high at times) and on the whole did their best in the situation in which they found themselves. They did not steal from you. You were part of it, you were there too ! You were beneficiaries in fact. We would like this situation back. We must regain our autonomy and our unity as a society and get back our relative equality.
Comments
Against Slavery (not verified)
Tue, 2014-02-11 01:03
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MASSIVE Chinese run on Aussi housing imminent
Anonymous (not verified)
Tue, 2014-02-11 01:08
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So Pauline Hanson was right - we are being swamped
Dennis K (not verified)
Tue, 2014-02-11 21:54
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Not all boomers are bad
Matthew Mitchell
Wed, 2014-02-12 08:10
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No one will escape Australia's future
Matthew Mitchell
Wed, 2014-02-12 17:24
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Most baby boomers are not in Charge - reply
Dennis K (not verified)
Wed, 2014-02-12 20:12
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I agree, Boomers (the 60's generation) must be held responsible
Sheila Newman
Wed, 2014-02-12 21:10
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International purchasers/immigration drives unaffordable housing
quark
Wed, 2014-02-12 22:44
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Futile resentment
Dennis K (not verified)
Thu, 2014-02-13 23:22
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It's not blame, its responsibility
Matthew Mitchell
Fri, 2014-02-14 00:46
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Perhaps a simple apology is what is needed?
Let me put forward this outrageous idea:
If the history of Australia since white settlement was to be summed up in one sentence, perhaps it could be this: "a failure to accept responsibility".
According to many Australians (for a long time anyway) white settlers were not really responsible for what happened to Aboriginal people here - whites were just ignorant, manipulated victims themselves (apparently). The lie of this was fought by Indigenous communities for decades - culminating in finally receiving a formal apology nearly 6 years ago to the day. Finally (after too long) it was acknowledged that aborigines were not responsible for their own slaughter and stolen generations. That perhaps many everyday white people had gone along with (or even contributed to) the slaughter, poisonings, etc, and yes, many of them did benefit from this in various ways.
Now we have a similar case with Baby Boomers. If Gen Y are impoverished debt slaves, it is (apparently) not the Baby Boomer's fault, they are not responsible (despite the fact they inherited a reasonable system from their parents). Well whose fault is it then? Certainly not the 22 year olds who now face paying one millions dollars for a basic family home in Mt Waverly (check the sales prices - this is no overstatement) on a part-time salary with union laws that make striking in many cases illegal (eg: once an EBA is signed)
Really Boomers, you need to face the facts that evil needs to be resisted. And the failure to resist it is just that - a failure!
Take the evil of negative gearing (welfare for the rich) which boomers did go along with and not universally decry - perhaps it was because most of them benefited directly or indirectly (through either investments or just plain house price rises). This is just one example. Can you see the pattern!
Imagine if the Germans after WWII claimed: "it is not our fault, we were manipulated, we are not in anyway responsible for Hitler and his atrocities". Obvious rubbish - many German citizens at the time did play a role. The honourable thing to do is to admit it - and then apologise. Not pretend that they had no responsibility at all.
How about a little less hubris from our boomers, and a little more humility and contrition? Then perhaps how about some action to help try and fix this mess? How about some people on the streets? How about some boomers outside Trade Minister Rob's office at 12.00 tomorrow. How about hitting the streets for things like March Against Monsanto (mostly young people there I noticed). Or is that all too hard? We will see when March in March comes around how many boomers are out there.
Greg (not verified)
Fri, 2014-02-14 10:33
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An apology is needed
... but not simply that.
An apology needs to be encompass sincere, accurate recognition of the problem that then leads to effective appropriate action. Otherwise it's just a platitude to cover over yet more of the same - as was KRudd's apology.
It will be hard to get any boomers to enact such sincere apology. They've either done well from these conditions and are neither inclined to risk a jot of it nor able to see through the denial that underpins their existence, or they've been excluded from and alienated by the plunder.
Meryl (not verified)
Fri, 2014-02-14 11:46
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What crime was committed?
DennisK (not verified)
Fri, 2014-02-14 12:29
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not apology, just admission of error
I don't see it the same as with Rudds apology. Rudd apologised because we changed our morality, not because of error of judgement.
The Boomers made an error of judgement, I'll post why later today. People who support negative gearing really believe they are doing us a favour. People who buy houses, tear them down and subdivide really believe they are offering opportunities and making housing affordable. I explained how it actually drives up prices to a real estate agent and he honestly didn't get it. His brain literally stalled. My mother used to keep pushing me to buy investment properties and rent them, she believed this was doing good for people. I doubt they will apologise for doing the right thing.
The Growth lobby aren't malevolent, they really believe they are doing the right thing. If their scheme fails, they'll just change their tune and pretend it was that way all along.
Matthew Mitchell
Fri, 2014-02-14 13:16
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... but not simply that
Dennisk (not verified)
Fri, 2014-02-14 17:07
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Not apology, recognition of failure is needed.
Rudd apologised because there was a change in morality. The boomers made an error of judgement, thats different. The boomers aren't unique though, its just their influence is the most visible and most pronounced due to circumstances they inherited.
The situation today is partly what people asked for. But I don't think its due to an evil. It's due to our morality. Although I do find Boomer morality baffling, and at times ugly and evil.
I spoke to someone, Gen X, some years ago when the boom was taking off. He mentioned his investment property, and how rising prices were fantastic and they will just keep going up and up. Obviously a RE toady. I asked him how, if prices were going to just keep skyrocketing, how people will afford it in the future. He said wages would go up, and I pointed out that wages weren't going up the same rate, and if they did, prices would too, so whats the gain? So I asked again, if your property skyrockets, who's going to afford it? I said, how will your child afford it? He didn't have answers to the question. Didn't think about it. Just said that there will be people to buy it and she'll get a home.
So what we have is:
So he got what he asked for. We FOUND people to buy them at increasing prices, foreign investors, and we FOUND a way for his daughter to buy a home in the coming years, a tiny unit miles from work and subdivision. A solution was found to keep his model of the world viable.
Another example. Some retirees I spoke to (actually in relation to the sale of a property), said their generations philosophy (they are older than boomers) was to NEVER let go of property once you have it. I asked them, if retirees hold property, sometimes two or more, where the work is and schools were, where do you expect young people to go? I got a vague response, the kind you get when someones never considered it, about maybe buying further out is an option. I said, well if THEY never let go, what about their children? They said theirs would eventually free up and I said something like 'when?'. Then I got that look a cow gets when its been shown a card trick...
So here again, they are getting exactly what they asked for. They said the solution is when their homes are freed up. Now they are crying that the government is looking to free them up! How many times do people say "when the Boomers retire and move out, it will free property". I didn't see anyone say to this "what if they don't move out in time?".
Even with immigration, didn't people ask for this? The future of the world that I was told was necessary and an inevitability, was a future which could only made possible through mass immigration... Now they are complaining about it?
Generation analysts have also commented on this, that the Baby boomer generation have a kind of magical thinking, that what will happen is what SHOULD happen according to their morality. I would like them to accept there was a problem with their model. Won't happen though, we need a generational change.
Sheila Newman
Sat, 2014-02-15 01:56
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Why talk about babyboomers as if all are rich and housed?
Matthew Mitchell
Sat, 2014-02-15 09:17
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Thanks Sheila
Matthew Mitchell
Sat, 2014-02-15 09:36
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Also consider how to avoid Generational conflict
quark
Sat, 2014-02-15 11:51
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Let's unite instead
I implore everyone to read Sheila Newman's comment headed "Why talk about Baby Boomers as if they are all rich and housed?". (quark, you can link to Sheila's comment as follows: <a href="#comment-116760">"Why talk about Baby Boomers as if they are all rich and housed?"</a> - Ed) It is an expose of the little understood situation which continues NOW to erode living standards and quality of life in Australia for the majority and to destroy our environment. It is ongoing! We, (that's all of us) have even more responsibility now than did previous generations as the decline is now VERY RAPID. Twenty years ago it was not as noticeable. The requests for an apology as for the indigenous stolen generation or to the mothers in the general population who had their babies taken from them (this is what is sounding like) are not going to remedy the situation and amount to wallowing and inaction. Furthermore, the abominable practices referred to specifically had stopped at the time of the apologies. In this case it continues. At best you could use your call for an apology as a publicity stunt to alert the sleep- walking public as to what is happening, but you would be hunting down the wrong group. The big business elites would think all their Christmases had come at once. It’s scarier to confront them than to complain about a whole generation who are diverse in terms of culture, education and means. I suggest we do NOT go along with this split across generations, so often encouraged by the media and try together to regain our rights. There are heaps of local groups largely populated with members of the BB generation trying to save natural areas. A couple individuals I know have spent the last 30 years trying to save our forests. A group has been trying to save Royal Park for a decade or more and have the fight of their life on their hands right now 1 as a road is about to be built right through it. It’s the same process of endless growth that erodes our natural areas that makes housing unaffordable.
Rather than wasting their time and the precious time of the rest of us, in extracting an apology, please join in and help and most importantly, educate yourselves on what is happening. This is difficult because the corporate media do not want you to understand what is happening and their news is confusing to everyone who relies on it. Gen Z and the generation after may not be grateful to you for your perseverance as the next generation takes things for granted if things are good. That’s to be expected. If they are not grateful and as children just enjoy their lives then you/we will have succeeded.
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Dennis K (not verified)
Sat, 2014-02-15 15:05
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I think a larger moral change is coming
Matthew Mitchell
Sat, 2014-02-15 18:05
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An apology is not a publicity stunt - it is important!
Anonymous (not verified)
Sat, 2014-02-15 23:06
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Who is the leader of the Baby Boomers?
Sheila Newman
Sun, 2014-02-16 01:27
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Continent-wide search for Babyboomer leader begins...
Anonymous, your 'Who is the leader of the babyboomers?' is wonderful.
There is no leader of the babyboomers because all they are is a statistical construction befitting a book by Lewis Carrol or Bernard Salt, who has written several books turning statistical constructions into fictitious social classes. He has been so successful that people now believe that such classes exist. The ABC interviews him about them, government attempts to legislate around them, and people go witch-hunting them.
But a leader for the babyboomers will appear, just as we have ethnic leaders and environmental leaders; someone to push their own agenda in the guise of representing the Baby Boomer Class cannot fail to take advantage of this opportunity.
Matthew Mitchell
Sun, 2014-02-16 22:34
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Leader of the baby boomers
Vivienne Ortega
Wed, 2014-02-12 23:13
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Baby Boomers aren't to blame
Greg (not verified)
Thu, 2014-02-13 02:09
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It's all relative
Sally Pepper (not verified)
Wed, 2014-02-12 14:46
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Most "Baby Boomers" are not in charge
Geoffrey Taylor
Sat, 2014-02-15 08:59
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Baby boomers asked for high-rise prisons, gridlocked commutes?
Dennisk wrote:
So, other features of our society (as Sheila has noted), which Dennisk, presumably, thinks baby boomers asked for, include:
Dennis K (not verified)
Sat, 2014-02-15 14:38
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It may not have been asked for, but it was the outcome.
I can ask for a lot of things, but the things I ultimately agitate for, determine the outcome. This is what you are missing. When you put an idea into motion, the outcome isn't the outcome that your ideology says should happen, but the outcome that nature says will happen.
Take immigration for example, how many boomers in the 60's and 70's wanted immigration restrictions? How many wanted immigration laws loosened? If I remember correctly, a few at Vic First prided themselves on loosening standards. Now they are complaining about the outcome. How else do you end a 'white Australia', without mass immigration? What did this person expect to happen?
Others at this meeting warned for lack of social cohesion and were booed! Booed! Yet I bet these same people will complain about lack of social cohesion and infighting...
Or smaller homes. How many people back 30 years ago said we need to share our wealth, that we have too much? How many people even TODAY say we should share our wealth and space. I heard this 20 years ago any ANYONE who objected was pilloried as a 'racist'. Any one who said "no room" was a bigot.
And speaking of "racism", the term which any anti-growth advocate is deathly afraid of, was it not demanded that racism not be tolerated? That xenophobia has no place in Australia? Wasn't one of the BIG "achievements" of the boomer generation 'breaking down barriers'? So now the property lobby can use it and scare the population away from our cause. Nice.
Both partners having to work. Feminists were rallying against the "patriarchy" and insisting women should have the same opportunities as men. Now, like men, they can enjoy having to work to keep the family going. I grew up being told that suggesting that women perhaps would be better of at home instead of working was sexist and bigoted.
Bill Clinton in the 90's, said that white people would be a minority by 2040 in the USA and that this was good, and the crowd went wild, not with anger! I remember, and it still happens now, many people saying how great the world would be when "we" are not the majority, or mixed out, or whatever. That "we", these idiots didn't realise, that were being displaced were their children and grandchildren. Now they are complaining about their children and grandchildren not having a place after fighting people trying to secure it!
I'm not leveling this at you personally, as I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
In ALL those examples, there were plenty of warnings. In all those examples, honest appraisal would have hinted at this outcome. But this wasn't allowed, because it didn't fit with the ideology. Because any opinion that didn't fit the morality was just wrong. It COULDN'T be right. There is this thinking that something which sound offensive must be wrong. Not just morally wrong, but scientifically wrong and logically wrong.
Now, so it doesn't appear that I'm just attacking boomers, I'll use a Gen X example, because I acknowledge its not a unique generation thing, its just most VISIBLE in that generation.
Gen X still want tolerance, no hate, for a diverse society of all races to live peacefully. As a result, we've had to limit free speech and begin policing people who's thoughts might upset this. NSA have a massive surveillance program in place. I'm sure Australia has the same. The UK do too, they used it to arrest people who threaten 'tolerance'. They use it AGGRESSIVELY, but none of these people who object to a growing police state protested this.
Now, in the future when my daughter finds out that she's living in a 1984 style world (maybe), she's going to blame Gen X/Y, RIGHTFULLY. We'll say (not me, we), "Oh, we fought AGAINST that. WE didn't ASK for surveillance, for video cameras everywhere". But its NOT true. We lauded those who used surveillance to dob in 'racists' on public transport. We demanded that hate speech not be tolerance. We said, time and time again, there are LIMITS to free speech. To make this happen, you need surveillance. We overlooked when police arrested someone for something they said in private.
Sheila Newman
Mon, 2014-02-17 04:59
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Reply to Dennis K's "It may not have been asked for ..."
Dennis's comments in italic bold mine in regular font.
"It may not have been asked for, but it was the outcome."
My response to this first statement is to want to distinguish between what was up to 'the babyboomers' and 'what was not'. As I just developed from a comment by Anonymous, ("Who is the leader of the Babyboomers?") they are [nothing but a pack of cards! as Alice said] a statistical cohort of people extending across two decades, separated by time, household, education, structural divides which included a changing rural/city divide, increasingly geographical infills via immigration, and, especially lately, professional wedge politics: Lib/Lab/'Green'/vs the rest, ably promoted by a duopoly mass media of Murdoch-Fairfax and Government-ABC.
My second response is to treat this as an existentional question. Existentional in the sense that argues that political engagement is how we define ourselves, recognise eachother and become socially alive. Without political engagement, humans remain isolated and confused, unwell, depressed, impotent... I think you may be right to accuse the babyboomer statistical cohort of containing a significant number of existentionally disengaged members. The cultural cringe that Edna Everedge lampooned portrayed a set of somehow still immature elderly people reduced to communing with garden gnomes, their only identity material assets and mementos of sparse initiation ceremonies, like weddings and RSL membership.
Such a bizarre change from the times preceding, of convicts and rumcorps, scientists and explorers, gold-seekers and bushrangers, Federation politicians and poets, pre-WW2 artists and writers.
A number of the Post WW2 lot seem curiously conformist to superficial but rigid standards, with the sexes separate, the men obediently employed, the women detached.
Engagement is very difficult when you are structurally disorganised.
Think about it. You and I probably came from very different places, backgrounds and experiences, by reason of sex, age, location and social class. Even though we may both be babyboomers, there could be 25 years difference in our ages; we may belong to different generations. I may have been too young for Vietnam and you might have been conscripted or even volunteered. You may be religious; I am not. This may be the first time we have met and talked about this.
"I can ask for a lot of things, but the things I ultimately agitate for, determine the outcome. This is what you are missing. When you put an idea into motion, the outcome isn't the outcome that your ideology says should happen, but the outcome that nature says will happen."
I guess you need to state the natural rule you think applies here.
My perception is that there was a failure (due to political-economic and structural problems that disorganised many Australians) to engage, to agitate for anything much amongst the wider, disorganised public. However you feel that people did agitate. During the 1960s and 1970s it is true that some Australians were very engaged in agitating for particular political outcomes. Some of these were the multiculturalists, the Communists and the B.A. Santamariarists, the latter who both arose in relationship to the Australian unionist and protectionist movement of Federation - which was a much more engaged period, I think. Mark Lopez, author of The origins of multiculturalism in Australian politics 1945-1975 finds that multiculturalism was pushed by a very few people through skilful lobbying. In his paper, The Politics of the origins of multiculturalism: Lobbying and the power of influence," (2000)[Referenced in [1], he writes,
"Take immigration for example, how many boomers in the 60's and 70's wanted immigration restrictions? How many wanted immigration laws loosened? If I remember correctly, a few at Vic First prided themselves on loosening standards. Now they are complaining about the outcome. How else do you end a 'white Australia', without mass immigration? What did this person expect to happen?"
If you interpret the expression of a high rate of desire for better assimilation as a sign of not wanting immigrants from non-English speaking countries, then it seems that most Victorians, at any rate, objected to non-British immigrants.[1] (A lot objected to British immigrants as well - those of Irish stock, for instance.)
There is little documentation on whether most people objected to the idea of a much bigger Australia, but I know that ever since the first million there have been people wanting to keep Australia small.[2] Since Australia was founded due to Britain's overpopulation and Malthus's theories were popularised in our early history, there were a lot of Malthusians in Australia. Charles Darwin's visit in the 1850s reinforced this, although it also reinforced the presence of the Catholic Church, as the pope weighed in. The main political tension was that of wage earners and small business wanted protection and big business wanted open markets and a big local population, although Britain preferred a smaller population in a commodity economy to provide her factories with raw materials. In Federation agreements towards the constitution, workers succeeded in stopping slave imports (blackbirding) and also in stopping slave-wage-earner imports through the exercise of the White Australia Policy which attempted to screen immigration out from large dense populations associated with low-wage labour. [3]
Environmentalists in the 1970s were particularly against big populations, especially after the first oil shock, which caused concern about scarcity. Leone Sandercock recorded in her books[4] citizens' anger at inflated land-prices in Victoria under the Hamer government, and at the rapacious development and destruction of green spaces. This overdevelopment was related to the rapid population growth of the 1960s and 1970s - composed of high natural increase plus high immigration, even though immigrants were initially housed in special facilities, in part to avoid anger at housing unaffordability.
As to whether people should have interpreted 'ending the White Australia policy' as meaning mass immigration, I seem to recollect there was quite a lot of fear about this at the time, but it was managed by propaganda. People who expressed antipathy to asian immigration were ridiculed - for instance Bruce Ruxton. Ruxton, as I recall, was a working class passionate returned soldier advocate, lacking in sophisticated airs. The Vietnam War and conscription protests also helped to make him an easier target. What he stood for were largely the values that the government of his day had promoted, but fashions had changed and he was tarred as an anachronism.
It was, however, still okay to disapprove of overpopulation. And people, especially environmentalists, talked with concern about overpopulation all over the world; in France, in the US, and in Australia. US presidents endorsed this concern, as did Whitlam.
I think that the people who supported multiculturalists by militating for the end of racially discriminatory immigration were mostly middle class people or intellectuals who trusted the government; they did not think that they would lose control of policy. So they accepted or were persuaded to accept non-racially discriminatory immigration, but they did not think that they were going to have to accept a massive increase in numbers.
It seems highly likely that other Australians who did not identify with the middle classes or intellectuals (as Katharine Betts intimates in her book, Immigration Ideology) were not so trusting of government. But their ideas were unfashionable and criminology tells us that the middle classes and fashionable intellectuals can rarely imagine how poor people fear 'the authorities'. Because middle classes and fashionable intellectuals rarely go to prison, they assume that the system is fair and impartial. Another, obvious reason that non-professionals and unskilled and semi-skilled labour were against high immigration was that they knew their jobs were easily filled by new immigrants, even if those immigrants had poor English. This was not a problem for the doctors or lawyers, for instance. The doctors had a very protective union and the law is a very local specialty. (Now even the doctors have been disorganised.)
(Did the quality of the Australian education system also decline? Because it seems that many people never acquired enough knowledge of their own country to even realise what reasonable population numbers were. At Sustainable Living Festivals a few years running, some environmentalists ran surveys to see what people understood about population. What they found was that, at those festivals at any rate, most people had no idea of the size of Australia's or the world's population. They were so innumerate and geographically ignorant that, even if you gave them a choice, they would get it wrong by millions, in some cases billions (even for Australia!). These were, for example, people in suits with jobs who strolled through Federation square in their lunch hours.)
The immigration numbers did not increase immediately
In fact the numbers did not increase much until John Howard, according to my observation of them; they stayed around 80,000 p.a. averaged over the years. Net Overseas Migration (with the exception of Bob Hawke's Tiananmen square year) until Howard. But 80,000 p.a. net was far too many, and, by the 1980s environmentalists groups had formed, notably Australians for an Ecologically Sustainable Population (AESP) - now called Sustainable Population Australia (SPA). AESP seemed to be fairly confident of eventually succeeding in lobbying government through sheer power of reason. They based this on the belief that Australia was a democracy and that citizens opinions counted, especially if they were supported by scientific authority.
Something happened in the meantime.
Why did AESP form, though? It seemed to be largely a response to the retreat by the Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF) from its constitutional requirement to support efforts to keep Australia's population small. This disquieting retreat by the ACF was dramatised when it attempted to pull out of an agreement to fund a book about how the looming environmental problems of continuing population growth in Australia. Ultimately it must have given in because the book was published as R. Birrell, D. Hill and J. Nevill, Eds., Populate and Perish published by the Australian Conservation Foundation and Fontana, 1984. Nonetheless, future events would show that that old environmental flagship, the Australian Conservation Foundation, had been captured by the growth lobby.
Around this time a political party that was against a big population for environmental and social reasons, formed. This was Australians Against Further Immigration (AAFI). Initially they were welcomed as allies of the environmental movement against overpopulation. But then some of them came out against multiculturalism and specifically against Chinese immigration. They were then hounded down by the press and government spokespeople and stigmatised as racist.
Organisations who defined themselves as purely ecological were careful to distinguish themselves from AAFI in public situations.
This was my own first experience of 'wedge politics', where it does not matter if you have some things in common with another group; if that group has unfashionable ideas as well your group will be punished by the press and other social police for associating with it. This weakened the environmental movement against population growth because a lot of its members would also have been concerned about the social effects of multiculturalism and those people could not express their concerns in the environmental organisations.
It is very unhealthy to create a situation where people in the same country cannot discuss important issues, but are instead expected to be rude to anyone who seems to have a different opinion. It is natural for people to be curious and want to know all about important social issues, to explore every angle - but this is strongly discouraged in Australia these days. The way that immigration is treated is as a religion, if you define a religion as a creed where some things cannot be discussed because it is against the rules and you have to have faith. This is not much different from the political differences between sunnis and shiites when neither side can safely evaluate the other's point of view. This kind of wedge politics makes us ripe for manipulation; it is a great way to limit citizens' knowledge and stop them from organising.
I was never bothered by different races/ethnicities; I was raised with neighbours of various origins and played with bush aboriginal children. It was numbers that bothered me - until - I stumbled over in the Multicultural Foundation of Australia big business connections linked to the nuclear industry, to property development (engineering) and more. Most astounding was the membership of the Foundation - almost entirely composed of past and present prime ministers and opposition leaders. It was founded by bob Hawke in (from memory) 1985. Its has hugely financial national and international network although almost no funds, as far as I can work out. I have been writing about this now for a few years and my articles get thousands of reads, but no-one know how to tackle this or where to take it because of how high it goes. It's something that all Australians need to see for what it is, but of course none of the mass media would ever look at it; they know where their bread and butter lies. See Multicultural foundation tag
"Others at this meeting warned for lack of social cohesion and were booed! Booed! Yet I bet these same people will complain about lack of social cohesion and infighting..."
I don't understand what you mean here. Do you mean that those same people will complain elsewhere about lack of social cohesion etc? I was at that meeting too, but I thought that Kelvin Thomson's view was (a) the multicultural horse has left the stable so closing the door is no longer effective and so it is a non-issue, and (b) the concern of Victoria First is numbers, not ethnicity. Thomson had already announced this and for me the logical thing was, if people wanted to have an organisation about what kinds of immigrants Australia takes, then they would be welcome to form one and to invite people to join it.
It seems to me that there are two concepts here: One is How many immigrants and the other is What kind of immigrants? It seems to me that the first one has precedence.
"Or smaller homes. How many people back 30 years ago said we need to share our wealth, that we have too much? How many people even TODAY say we should share our wealth and space. I heard this 20 years ago any ANYONE who objected was pilloried as a 'racist'. Any one who said "no room" was a bigot."
The business about sharing the wealth comes from the same place that the innumerate estimates of Australia's population come from. People are very poorly educated. They can be born and bred here and not even realise that they live at the edge of an enormous desert. They think cities begin and end with the buildings; it doesn't occur to them that huge moving machines called 'farms' and mines cover half the countryside in order to support them. They read often enough in the Australian and the Age or hear on TV or the ABC that we are a big, empty, wealthy country and they believe it. That's the power of authority; the authority imbued in the press. People believe what the media tells them more than they trust their own eyes.
Yes, you are right. People were taught to fear the consequences of expressing unfashionable opinions about multiculturalism. In fact they were terrified. It does seem that probably a majority of people do dislike multiculturalism and a high immigration flow particularly if it is from very varied origins, however they have been taught not to express this.
How were they taught? Well, the treatment meted out to AAFI was pretty awful, but what happened to Pauline Hanson was frankly terrifying. As she gained in popularity, the major parties treated her as a serious threat and they don't treat serious threats with kid-gloves. Wedge politics came out in force and people simply did not dare to attend her meetings for fear of being outed. Those who did attend her meetings (arguably very brave people with the courage of their convictions) were physically attacked by thugs from the Socialist Alliance etc. The photographs of people attending the meetings were also published in the press, which meant their neighbours and employers would recognise them.
Middle class people and intellectuals do not get involved in that kind of thing and, besides, they were sympathetic to multiculturalism; they held, as Katharine Betts argued in her Immigration Ideology, 'cosmopolitan values'. There was a great divide between them and the majority of Australians, it seems.
Despite this a lot of people continued to attend those meetings. Finally, John Howard made noises as if he was quite sympathetic to the reasons that people supported Hanson. This probably caused a lot of Hanson supporters to direct their preferences to him over the ALP. Then, in the wake of the Port Arthur Massacre, he banned guns. This endeared him to the middle classes and fashionable intellectuals who had formerly hated him because he seemed not of their class and because he had been sent into the political wilderness years before for expressing anti-Asian immigration ideas. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that he managed to bott quite a large portion of Hanson's support base for a while.
I can't remember if he massively upped immigration before or after Hanson was imprisoned, but it must have been very convenient to have her locked away, along with one of her political associates. They were both exonerated after several months in prison but, their political opportunities had come and gone whilst they were locked up.
Perhaps more important, what did people seeing what happened to Pauline Hanson learn? They learned that, not only could you be embarassed and even beaten up if you tried to fight high immigration because of your social values, but that the Australian Government would have no qualms about throwing you into prison for it.
But, infinitely worse, infinitely shocking, so bizarre and unthinkable that people may wonder if they imagined this, our current Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, raised the money to prosecute Pauline Hanson which permitted her to be prosecuted and sent to prison.[6]
"And speaking of "racism", the term which any anti-growth advocate is deathly afraid of, was it not demanded that racism not be tolerated? That xenophobia has no place in Australia? Wasn't one of the BIG "achievements" of the boomer generation 'breaking down barriers'? So now the property lobby can use it and scare the population away from our cause. Nice."
I was not aware that this was a 'baby-boomer' achievement. I thought it was a cultural change engineered by successive governments. I always thought that racism in Australia was grossly exaggerated, and used as a label to gloss over other more acceptable objections - like wanting to protect your job, or wanting to stop more housing developments. Certainly calling people racist has been used often to try to shut people up who objected to overdevelopment. These days they even intimidate people into saying, "We're not against 'development', just 'poorly designed developments' etc. as if it were somehow unreasonable to be against having everything covered by infrastructure.
I think that the property lobby was in on this from the beginning. They have funded a ton of pro-big population and multiculturalism literature from academics for years now. There has been no-one to fund the counter-arguments. The property development and business lobby have done this in Australia and in Britain for centuries. The Liberal Party was founded by immigrationist forces around the time of Federation.[5]
No-one knew about this except the people who benefited directly from it. Even Neville Hicks in This Sin and Scandal, Australia's Population Debate 1891-1911, Australian National University Press, Canberra, ACT, 1978 (a history of the anti-birthcontrol movement in Australia) misinterpreted the valuable data he accumulated, which showed me that property speculation united the powerful to prevent contraception and to promote mass immigration in order to save their investments in property and to prop up the banks. Maybe also he misinterpreted it because of the times he wrote in. His interpretation was to take seriously the rhetoric of the businessmen and politicians who tried to suppress abortion and contraception. This led him to believe that they were motivated entirely by religious convictions and prurient obsessions. Somehow he overlooked the fact that they were all on boards of organisations that faced bankruptcy if the land they had invested in did not regain value in the 1890s depression.
What has happened recently is that the internet has permitted a huge globalisation of the property market at the same time as we have lost almost all protection via the National Foreign Investment Board. In a country like Australia where there is no decoupling of work permits from immigration and where permanent immigration means real-time permanent, rather than just a year as it does in most of Western Europe, this means disastrous loss of control.
"Both partners having to work. Feminists were rallying against the "patriarchy" and insisting women should have the same opportunities as men. Now, like men, they can enjoy having to work to keep the family going. I grew up being told that suggesting that women perhaps would be better of at home instead of working was sexist and bigoted."
What happened was that the market charged whatever it could get and it went after both salaries. In other words the market profited from a social change that was clamoured for as a benefit. Of course, it wasn't really the "market" it was a government of land-speculators making rules whereby they helped to inflate the price of property. But you are talking to a land-tenure sociologist here and I know that women all once had land, just as female bears do. We lost it in many cultures, but not all, along the way, and overpopulation was part of the reason. In a socio-economic system where most citizens don't own much property, being able to earn a wage is a means to some freedom, and why would women not want to be free? However real freedom is owning land and assets and having a home to stay home in, IMHO. I personally would like fifty per cent of seats in parliament to be for women (not for 'women's issues' but for women's bums on seats) and I personally want our inheritance system to be reformed so that male and female children cannot be disinherited by their parents in favour of the spouse; so that male and female children all have the possibility of inheriting assets, preferably land; so that there would be no need to compensate a widower or widow for their partner's decease because the widow or widower would have their independent fortune. (This is the Napoleonic or Roman system that is in almost all European countries and similar systems prevail in many places. The Anglophone systems are very disempowering.)
I don't think people saw this coming, any more than they saw most things coming, because of their ignorance of how big business and government work together, because of their naive faith in an entirely false belief that they lived in a democracy and were empowered, and because they emotionally followed fashions as they humanly sought identity and political engagement. It was easy to mislead a bunch of disorganised, poorly educated, disaggregated, statistical cohorts who suffered from cultural cringe and an absence of historical knowledge.
"Bill Clinton in the 90's, said that white people would be a minority by 2040 in the USA and that this was good, and the crowd went wild, not with anger! I remember, and it still happens now, many people saying how great the world would be when "we" are not the majority, or mixed out, or whatever. That "we", these idiots didn't realise, that were being displaced were their children and grandchildren. Now they are complaining about their children and grandchildren not having a place after fighting people trying to secure it!"
I think our system will dispossess anyone, white or brown. I believe that what is happening to Australia is the same thing that happened to Africa and India, the Solomans and Easter Island - disorganisation, dispossession, loss of self-government through colonisation by superior numbers and or forces. I don't believe that changing colours will make all that much difference, but you probably don't either. What really changes is one's social organisation; one's real empowerment through clan and territorial connections. See Demography Territory and Law, The Rules of Animal and Human Population, Countershock Press, Australia, 2013. (Kindle) Also available as paperback here: Paperback edition. My book is all about this.
The fact that I think the British-inherited system we live under is totally wrong means that I am not a person who believes that a solution for us lies in British immigration (as Pauline Hanson did, I believe). I think we need to allow our population to decrease, but I have already written a lot about that.
"I'm not leveling this at you personally, as I will give you the benefit of the doubt."
I was personally always shocked by the injustice and judgementalness and the sheer disregard for democracy meted out to people who tried to stand up for their rights as they perceived them. I was disgusted and dismayed at the impact of wedge politics which seemed to use these differences of opinion to corral people into very narrow associations and to demonise people who, at time of Federation, would all have talked civilly together. I saw what was happening as the destruction of democracy. I made a decision that the message I wanted to get out was ecological; it was the disappearance of green spaces and freedom to move, of biodiverse surroundings. To get that message out I could not afford to get involved in defending specific peoples' rights, however I did get to expose what was happening, as I am doing now. I also received a lot of poor treatment myself by people who mistakenly thought that I was fighting for discriminatory immigration policies.
"In ALL those examples, there were plenty of warnings. In all those examples, honest appraisal would have hinted at this outcome. But this wasn't allowed, because it didn't fit with the ideology. Because any opinion that didn't fit the morality was just wrong. It COULDN'T be right. There is this thinking that something which sound offensive must be wrong. Not just morally wrong, but scientifically wrong and logically wrong."
Yes, you are right; it did not fit with the ideology that the middle classes and fashionable intellectuals casually absorbed or that was taught to them from kindergarten through primary school and secondary school. As to why people did not imagine what could happen further down the track in terms of huge populations, skyrocketing prices and loss of human rights - it seems to me that most people responded to herding. They were afraid of what would happen to them if they resisted going in the direction they were being pushed and they accepted with more or less relief any rationale that the dogs herding them gave for forcing them into ever-narrowing choices, rationales that suggested that Australia was a big rich land, that we would all get cleverer, that sacrifices must be made for 'progress' and that 'progress' was an evolutionary pathway of a chronologically forward nature which always led to more and better stuff and to freedom and power in the end.
"Now, so it doesn't appear that I'm just attacking boomers, I'll use a Gen X example, because I acknowledge its not a unique generation thing, its just most VISIBLE in that generation."
I can't comment on where it is most prevalent. I was counselling a 30 year old mentally ill man recently who lived in utter precarity. He had a one room flat in public housing that he was too afraid to sleep in because someone had died in it before he moved in and their imprint was still on the carpet and the level of violence in those flats was terrifying. He said, "I'm tormented by my racist thoughts of resentment towards all the refugees that have public housing and contribute to the difficulties and violence." This was the first time I had thought about the impact that refugees (including accepted asylum seekers) might have on public housing demand. Until then I had thought that the number of refugees is so tiny that they pale into insignificance next to economic immigrants. However if there is an accumulated concentration of several thousand refugees over a few years in a limited quantity of public housing, it is obvious that there will be an impact. It's a fact that a lot of poor refugees do finish up in the public housing system and that it is full of violence. This guy did not feel that he could speak up because to him his resentments seemed to have a racist basis. So he could not formulate a statement that he had a right to decent housing as a citizen and if that right was being negatively affected by numbers of immigrants, then he had a right to demand a reduction in immigration. His solution was to couch-surf and sleep on benches, as he slid towards suicide. You will not be surprised to hear that he felt entirely worthless.
"Gen X still want tolerance, no hate, for a diverse society of all races to live peacefully. As a result, we've had to limit free speech and begin policing people who's thoughts might upset this. NSA have a massive surveillance program in place. I'm sure Australia has the same. The UK do too, they used it to arrest people who threaten 'tolerance'. They use it AGGRESSIVELY, but none of these people who object to a growing police state protested this."
As I have written, if they saw it coming, they were afraid, or, if they fought it, they were made to suffer. It helps that generations now have lived in cities and have no idea of how all the other creatures depend on their local ecology remaining intact. And that we do ultimately as well, and that you cannot self-govern via the global market.
Now, in the future when my daughter finds out that she's living in a 1984 style world (maybe), she's going to blame Gen X/Y, RIGHTFULLY. We'll say (not me, we), "Oh, we fought AGAINST that. WE didn't ASK for surveillance, for video cameras everywhere". But its NOT true. We lauded those who used surveillance to dob in 'racists' on public transport. We demanded that hate speech not be tolerance. We said, time and time again, there are LIMITS to free speech. To make this happen, you need surveillance. We overlooked when police arrested someone for something they said in private.
I guess you bring me back to reality here. I do not believe that I ever did this. However I have seen groups revel in righteous indignation and the pursuit of people they thought were political outlaws. Once people did this to the tribe down the track when they had a bone to pick. Now our 'tribes' are temporary alliances, like brands, formed through identification with marketed values etc; and our loyalties and controls are easily manipulated; there are very few real sources of orientation. In an industry where I work, I have seen over 20 years, a degrading of trust and work conditions, a kind of dog-eat-dog ethos, a psychopathic pursuit of power and the reduction of normal people into cowards and tell-tales. This seems to me to be the result of bureaucracy and the abolition of the seniority system, which at least gave a lot of organic social structure to industry before, tempered the naked ambition and brought stability and safety. The majority of people, as far as I can see, don't want this, but they don't know how to get out of it. I think the way out is to talk about it, as we are doing here.
NOTES
[1] "[...] opinion polls on immigration found widespread disapproval of the source countries that contributed the most to ethnic and cultural diversity. An Age Poll of July 1971 produced close to a majority for severely restricting Italian and Greek migrants, with only three to four per cent believing that the government should recruit them." Mark Lopez, "The Politics of the origins of multiculturalism: Lobbying and the power of influence, Paper at 10th Biennial Conference of the Australian Population Association, Year 2000.
[2] "A history of politics and population in Australia: Thomas Malthus in Australian thought"
[3] "Overpopulation, immigration, multiculturalism and the White Australia policy"
[4]Leone Sandercock, The Land Racket (1979) and Property, Politics and Urban Planning (1990).
[5] Chapter 6 of Sheila Newman, The Growth Lobby and its Absence, RMIT Thesis, 2000.
[6] "Yes it is true. In 1998, Tony Abbott, John Wheeldon (former ALP Senator) and William "Peter" Coleman (a former NSW Liberal Opposition Leader and father-in-law to Peter Costello) established a trust fund (aka slush fund) titled "Australians for Honest Politics" with the express purpose of raising funds to fight against Pauline Hanson and One Nation, who were at the time drawing traditional Coalition voters away from the Coalition.
The slush fund raised around $100,000.
Tony Abbott has always refused to reveal who was behind the funding of this slush fund, although in 2003, ABC's Lateline revealed that Western Australian businessman Harold Clough was believed to be one of those who contributed funds.
You can view a copy of Abbott's trust fund here.
It should be noted that this was a particularly grubby chapter of Tony Abbott's political life, and has been partially covered here.
If you are interested, there is an excellent timeline of events relating to Tony Abbott and his slush fund covered here." Source: "Tony Abbott FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)"
Dennis K (not verified)
Mon, 2014-02-17 22:51
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I didn’t quote everything, for the sake of brevity.
Matthew Mitchell
Fri, 2014-02-21 08:54
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Prices rise to absorb increases in income
Margaret (not verified)
Wed, 2014-02-26 11:11
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Investment seminar on negative gearing for property
Dennis K (not verified)
Wed, 2014-02-26 23:13
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So much self deception goes on there
Matthew Mitchell
Thu, 2014-02-27 10:27
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Speculation is a Parasitic blight on Society
Margaret (not verified)
Thu, 2014-02-27 12:21
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Voice of doubt was silenced
Dennisk (not verified)
Thu, 2014-02-27 13:54
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Thats how GFC's happened
Sheila Newman
Thu, 2014-02-27 13:50
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Margaret on Investment seminars - very valuable comment
admin
Sun, 2014-02-16 02:36
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Has been caused by the subversion of democracy, not baby boomers
Dennisk wrote:
What you write of is not the consequence of informed consent by the baby boomers. It is the consequence of Australian democracy (like the democracies of so many other countries around the world) having been subverted by the 1975 coup against the Labor Government of Gough Whitlam as described in the book the CIA – a Forgotten History 1 by William Blum. Chapter 40, entitled Chapter 40: Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust in 1975, shows how the Labor government of Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, Lionel Murphy and Rex Connor, which put the interests of ordinary Australians ahead of foreign and domestic corporations, was overthrown in the coup of 1975.2
What is not as well appreciated is that after the 1975 coup, instead of remaining an effective opposition, the Labor Party has been, since its defeat at the 1980 Federal elections (if not sooner), whiteanted by corporate glove puppets within, including Paul Keating, Anna Bligh and Peter Beattie and the well-known CIA operatives Bob Hawke and Bob Carr.
In subsequent years, when the Labor Party regained office at the national level and in various states, it implemented even more extreme free market policies than the supposedly more right-wing coalition of the Liberal and National Parties. Naomi Klein should have included a chapter in her book The Shock Doctrine (2007) about the mis-rule of Australia by Hawke and Keating. Sadly, she did not.
Footnotes
1. ⇑ This book has since been re-published with the title
Killing Hope – U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II
2. ⇑ The subversion of Australian democracy was also observed by Christopher Boyce who, in 1974, began work in a communications center in California through which CIA cables were routed. There, he learnt that the CIA acted to remove the Labor Government in 1975 and, prior to that, the democratically elected Chilean government of President Salvadore Allende. Allende died in the military coup of 1973. This convinced Boyce that he should oppose his own government by spying for the then Soviet Union. This is described in the book The Falcon and the Snowman and the movie of the same name.
Dennis K (not verified)
Sun, 2014-02-16 13:40
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I don't think democracy works well
Anonymous (not verified)
Sun, 2014-02-16 15:14
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No body decided bad policies
Dennis K (not verified)
Sun, 2014-02-16 20:58
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Unfounded assumptions
Geoffrey Taylor
Sun, 2014-02-16 22:57
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Baby Boomers not to blame for Fukuyama's claptrap
Dennis K wrote:
Such a generalisation about the whole of the Baby Boomer generation cannot be true. As you should know, it was an individual right-wing 'free market' ideologue Francis Fukuyama who made this pronouncement after what was labeled 'socialism' was overthrown in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.
As history was supposedly 'ending' in 1991, with the dissolution of the former Soviet Union by the corrupt drunkard President Boris Yeltsin (1931-2007) the United States was starting a succession of wars against Iraq which have, so far, cost many hundreds of thousands of lives (3,300,000 according to one estimate). Other bloody wars which have begun since history supposedly ended in 1991 include:
Braydon (not verified)
Sun, 2014-02-16 23:02
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Where's this going?
Denniss, are you saying that Gen Y is more politically savvy than the Baby Boomers? Are you also saying that the Baby Boomers should have taken some sort of action or protested at a time when things seemed to be going OK yet now that things are obviously going down the gurgler, it's understandable for disillusioned Gen Y to sit on on its collective hands and blame its parents?
Dennisk (not verified)
Mon, 2014-02-17 10:30
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Not Savvy, just different
Sheila Newman
Mon, 2014-02-17 13:02
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Conclusions based on rational deduction but wrong assumption
Your conclusions are based, I think, on rational deduction but wrong assumption of what is normal. From anthropological and zoological data, one finds that, in a stable normally constructed society (organically grown with minor immigration component) the generations will cooperate on food production, housing and child-rearing. The competitiveness between generations that you take for normal are caused by disorganisation and scarcity. Most societies do not expect everyone to marry and raise children either. Most contain a goodly number of bachelors that cooperate with the breeding adults. This feature is present in the social organisation of other species, as the work I cite in Demography Territory and Law, The Rules of Animal and Human Population, Countershock Press, Australia, 2013. (Kindle) Also available as paperback here: Paperback edition, chapters 3 and 4.
You also do not seem to have picked up on the fact that elderly people become more dependent if taken out of their known environment. This competition for housing should also be understood as a sign that we are overpopulated. And as a sign that the cohort of age-of-childbearing immigrants has obviously exceeded the proportion that would have arisen with natural replacement. So, it sounds as if overpopulation is producing the kind of aggression that has been predicted by those who said Australia is growing too big. Aggression is usually enracinated by a sense of entitlement. All these things seem to be present in your attitude here, Dennis. I hope you will forgive me for this observation.
What was feared has come to pass.
Braydon (not verified)
Mon, 2014-02-17 13:28
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Mums and Dads bid for their children at auctions
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