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Excellent comments, Milly. Scott, humans are 100% herbivores - check The Comparative Anatomy of Eating of (undated) by Milton R. Mills, M.D. Humans, animals and the earth would be better off if we adopted a plant-based diet. Scott, while you may be right about the methane production of rice, I don't agree we need to eat rice, a raw vegan diet is better as you don't lose enzymes, heat-sensitive vitamins and half the protein from the cooking process. I also agree that we need to stop breeding humans, although vegan humans have an infinitely smaller footprint than their necrivore counterparts. Livestock farming have been responsible for a large majority of the forests that have been felled in Australia to date. "It’s embarrassing for Australia that we eat our own wildlife ....I’m here to tell you it’s just not right. Simply do not buy, use or eat kangaroo products” ~ Steve Irwin Sign the most important petition ever created to help kangar

"Vegetarianism is a nice ideal". Julian Cribb is the principal of Julian Cribb & Associates, specialists in science communication. He is Adjunct Professor in Science Communication at the University of Technology Sydney and a fellow of the Australian Academy of Technological Sciences and Engineering. Cribb is the author of The Coming Famine, a new book which argues that the world is heading for a food crisis fuelled by population growth and a mounting hunger for food, especially protein rich foods like meat, fish, dairy foods and eggs. Vegetarianism will have to become more than a nice ideal! He says that recognising that 11 billion people cannot all eat like Americans or Australians and hope to survive on this planet, we need to refashion the world diet. That means one that involves far less energy, land, water, nutrients and pollution. If we cannot double fish production as food demand doubles, then we will have to get the additional 100 million tonnes of meat from land animals. This will require a billion tonnes more grain and 1000 cubic kms of extra fresh water. This will mean more stress on intensive industrial farming, and more hormones. We can't ignore the ethics of eating, and meat still comes from animals! It means returning to the sort of balanced nutrient intake our grandmothers would approve. One way to do this is to double the amount of vegetables in the diet, many produced in these new urban systems using recycled water and nutrients. We tend to eat for reasons having less to do with nutrition and more to do with comfort, emotional attachment and tradition, and it's been said that changing one's diet is more difficult than changing religions.

If Ross Fitzgerald has been too kind in his article entitled Bounty Wasted on Bligh The Weekend-Australian, September 11-12, and if there is a risk of financial reward for the detriments caused to Queensland and the damage inflicted on the reputation of the Labour, then I for one would like to lodge my personal protest. I agree with you, James, that the hijacking of democracy appears to have characterized privatization policies in Queensland in particular, but also in NSW and Victoria. Anna Bligh is currently the President of the Labour Party, and in her role as a State Premier, also a member of the Council of Australian Governments. I vigorously object to that. Her apparently manic approaches with sale of assets in attempts to replenish the Treasury coffers. The surest way to damage economy is to lose the trust of the people. The trust of the people has been betrayed midst games and ill-conceived decision-making. The accountability shuffle has been played to perfection, and it is time that this is reversed. People are looking for integrity, commitment, true democracy, sixth sense for what the people want I have publicly called for the resignation or removal of Anna Bligh and examination of the input she has received from the Treasury and all those who have contributed steadily to erosion of confidence, rights and faith in governance. On 31 August Anna Bligh is reported to have declared she wasn't a liability for Labor before the Caucus meeting, that her leadership had not been a factor and that she enjoyed total support among MPs. See Courier Mail article Judy Spence contradicts Anna Bligh saying leadership was an issue at Caucus meeting see also: Anna Bligh attacked over government-owned corporation "THE Bligh Government has been accused of peddling commercial-in-confidence as an excuse to hide the real performance of its corporations. Queensland Auditor-General Glen Poole has lambasted the lack of openness of government-owned corporations in his latest report, tabled in State Parliament yesterday. The report found that recommendations from 2006 to provide the public with more information about the performance of government-owned corporations had been ignored." and Is Anna Bligh toxic for the ALP? 21/07/2010 12:11:00 PM, Spencer Jolly - Political Editor Ms Bligh either lacks insight or is determined to ignore the feedback regarding perceptions of her governance. Either way it is time for that leadership to be scrutinized in the light of the long-range implications for the people of Queensland, as well as for the nation as a whole. I have asked the Prime Minister to consider impacts on the reputation of the Labour Party as a whole. I support your attempts James to call attention to these matters. Madeleine Kingston (SKYLARK100 Twitter)

Dick Smith's Population Puzzle poll How big should Australia be in 2050? 25 million people (stable) 50 million people (high growth) Julian Cribb, author of The Coming Famine, says: Scientists are mostly employed by the Government are are reluctant to talk about population. We need the discussion world wide now. The Copenhagen climate change conference didn't talk about population because most of the people there were politicians. We are heading for catastrophe unless we do something about population, consumption and our diets. Politicians think in short term, no more than 10 years. Politicians get criticized by minority groups.

Have to agree, Scott. The only thing less friendly to wildlife than a cattle or sheep station is a field of corn, beans, ... a field of any crop. Not a cockatoo, not a parrot, not a roo, not a possum is welcome in a grain-farmer's field. At least other creatures are able to share with the cattle and sheep, even if the farmer doesn't like it. Vegetarianism is a nice ideal - if you aren't in the business of growing and selling the crops. Let's face it: more humans, more grain crops means less biodiversity. It's not a solution. We need to stop breeding up and clearing land for food and housing.

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Whilst I heartily agree with Ross Fitzgerald's opposition to privatisation, I think the article is too kind to former Premier Peter Beattie and even to Premier Anna Bligh.

I think that privatisation in Queensland, consistently opposed by well over 70% of Queenslanders, is one of many examples of how Australian democracy has been hijacked by those serving corporate interests, including Anna Bligh and Peter Beattie, in the last three decades. Whilst such policies may harm the Labor Party as a whole and make it far less electorally appealing, they are hardly likely to be personally harmful to those leading the Labor Party. Whatever happens to Labor at the state level, Peter Beattie, Andrew Fraser and Anna Bligh can be assured of financial reward for what they have done.

Well it's verified now. I wrote the above blog. I have also posted in numerous places on same topic including TWITTER as skylark100 Please see Professor Ross Fitzgerald excellent article of 11 September 2010 "Bounty Wasted on Bligh" www.rossfitzgerald.com/2010/09/bounty-wasted-on-bligh/ to which I responded, starting with: "Thank you Professor Fitzgerald for this article describing the state in Queensland and the sense of betrayal that so many Queenslanders feel, albeit that there are a few loyal supporters. As to the contribution of the Treasury – that too is referred to in the your article, which reflects my own concerns. I have brought your analysis directly to the attention of the Prime Minister Julia Gillard as worthy of her immediate attention, receiving an automated response. I have written already on several occasions about disillusionment with Anna Bligh’s Leadership and the contribution of the Queensland Treasury and its approaches." I have had no response yet from the Prime Minister or her staff, but I am not holding my breath. There are so very many things to attend to. Neither major party has much to gloat about. Madeleine Kingston

A State government panel, driven by Justin Madden, Planning Minister, has given approval for the land opposite Serendip to be developed! Despite long and hard campaigning by the TLC community group and wildlife activists, the developers can't be said "no" to. In their concerns for profits and for pushing for population growth at all costs, they decide FOR the bulldozers to come in and threatened the integrity of the sanctuary and the safety of the wildlife and habitat. The native birds and animals will be in danger from roads, noise, speeding traffic, dogs and cats, human interference, trespassers and crime. This will be a disaster for the sanctuary, and in total contradiction with all the conservation and preservation efforts done. Even the DSE support the development, despite ostensibly being responsible for our wildlife! The Council - Geelong - have the final say. Let's hope they have enough courage to stand up for democracy, public opinion, and the welfare of local human and non-human inhabitants.

I couldn't agree more that the main source of food was (by far) that which was obtained by gathering. I don't agree that hunter gatherers considered meat to be optional otherwise they wouldn't have bothered, it took a lot of energy to hunt the animals they consumed. This highlights an important point you have made : the consumption of meat by any living thing should require an enormous amount of effort on the part of that individual or individuals. Humans have completely bypassed this important rule of nature and that includes virtually every self proclaimed "hunter" today that uses a gun including indigenous peoples. Buying meat from a shop obviously takes this total disregard of nature's law even further. The whole concept that you can obtain food whether it be animal or vegetable simply by having enough money rather than using your own energy or ingenuity flys in the face of what is truly sustainable. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the significance of the methane contribution that rice farming makes. Worldwide agricultural practices for food production can hardly be described as environmentally friendly and unfortunately many crops such as beans also require refrigeration from the moment they are picked. I have no doubt the world would be a better place if all of us stopped eating meat however I don't believe that the argument used by vegetarians/vegans that humans are not supposed to eat meat is a winnable one.

What I said: "All the nourishment should therefore be in nuts, fruits and grains! Our planet would be healthier if people simply ate less meat and more of the real food". The extent of hunting over gathering has probably been exaggerated by historians and anthropologists to justify our own level of livestock consumption. Eating meat is optional, and hunting would have supplemented the main source of food, gathering! The amount of rice eaten, and the damage done, is still shadowed by the amount of grains fed directly to livestock rather than to human populations. Professor Edgar Hertwich, a lead author of the report "Half of World Crop is Feeding Animals, not People", sums up its findings: "Animal products cause more damage than [producing] construction minerals such as sand or cement, plastics or metals. Biomass and crops for animals are as damaging as [burning] fossil fuels." Unlike fossil fuels, it is difficult to look for alternatives: people have to eat. The amount of corn and oats required to produce one 8 oz. beef steak, could fill the bowls of at least 45 hungry humans. Indigenous humans lived at a subsistence level, withing their own territories. Now people can eat meat sourced from around the world and have little concept of its impacts.

Whilst I do not advocate the unhealthy consumption of meat most Australians practice, I hardly think the alleged diet of Adam and Eve can be used to argue against the consumption of meat - least of all to indigenous Australians. It is well documented that the first Australians supplemented their diet with the consumption of many animals ranging from small mice right up to kangaroos, emus and even dingoes. I don't think anybody can argue this fact. The industrial scale factory farming and other livestock practices (including live sheep exports) are completely unacceptable both environmentally and ethically. This does not however let agricultural practices involving plants off the hook completely. For example it can be argued that rice farming throughout the globe (including Australia) is responsible for much environmental degradation and is reliant on huge amounts of water. Further, the production of rice is possibly the largest contributor of worldwide anthropogenic methane emissions.

A diet of nuts, fruits and grain is what Adam and Eve were given in the Garden of Eden before sin: “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.” - Genesis 1:29-30. From the very beginning God has always intended for human and animals to nourish themselves of the natural foods of the earth. These are the “meats” that God has always wanted us to have as our diet. The word “meat” here simply means “food.” Death has never been part of God’s plan for mankind, not in food, or in anything else. Death only came about because of sin. The first time the children of Israel ate meat after the exodus is recorded in Numbers chapter 11. One will notice while reading through this whole chapter that God did not really want to give them the flesh meat for their diet. In fact, as they cried in their lust for flesh meat, God told them that they will get their desire; in fact, they will get a whole month of meat, even until it leaks from their noses! (verses’ 19-20). Yet, to show them He did not want them eating meat at all, whether clean or unclean, he allowed them to have the lust of their hearts, and they reaped what they sowed, sickness and death. Eating meat was a concession to human weakness, to lust, not as a "right", yet many of today's Christians relish quantities of meat products, even ignoring the cruelty of modern industrial animal production. All the nourishment should therefore be in nuts, fruits and grains! Our planet would be healthier if people simply ate less meat and more of the real food.

What a wonderful story, the work put into saving our wildlife is the most worthwhile of all, the look in any animals eye of trust is one that words cannot tell, to have these special animals returned to their own environment is what it is all about, there are animals with such a will for survival that just need abit of help along the way, we have destroyed most of their environment and they need all the help they can get to live out their lives .,

Humans will eat anything that moves, even horses! While some of Australia's annual horse slaughter for human consumption (nearly all of it exported) is made up of wild animals, and some from the ranks of discarded pets, most estimates suggest the vast majority is a by-product of our thoroughbred and standardbred industry. The figures on Australia's export of horse meat for human consumption (in 2008/09 it was 2649 tonnes, with Russia taking 46 per cent, Switzerland and Belgium 14 per cent each, France 13 per cent) parallel the thoroughbred industry's figures on breeding Horses are part of our success as a species. They have trustfully gone into war with us, and suffered horrific injuries and deaths due to their misguided and obedient trust. They have carried our loads, walked the miles, and been faithful companions. They have made people wealthy through racing and entertainment, and have been delightful pets. They are part of our history and folklore, but they still qualify as "meat"! Where does the stomach, the head and our souls ever meet? We may as well be gastropods if we eat horse meat!

A thought-provoking argument - but nowhere does the author differentiate between plant agriculture and animal agriculture. The livestock industry has devastated the country in far more ways than plant agriculture, such as: * deforestation * biodiversity loss * soil erosion * water pollution * contributes 51% of anthropogenic greenhouse gases * uses more water than all other industries combined * uses more resources than any other industry (land, energy, water, fossil fuels) If we were to switch to 100% plant-based diet, preferably raw (healthier) and learned to live simply without all the clutter and plastic lifestyle, off the grid, got back to nature, ate bush tucker, stopped breeding humans and pets, I believe we could be sustainable. A heck of a lot more than now anyway. "It’s embarrassing for Australia that we eat our own wildlife ....I’m here to tell you it’s just not right. Simply do not buy, use or eat kangaroo products” ~ Steve Irwin Sign the most important petition ever created to help kangar

These little birds are living gems, more precious and beautiful than jewels! With the sixth extinction on the way, the world are could lose 5 million species, including these. With burgeoning human populations, there is little space on diminishing areas left for birds such as these, considering the consumption levels needed to maintain human population and their drive for economic growth! While most birds, like humans, form partnerships to rear their offspring, researchers have long known they have the occasional fling of infidelity. A male who feels he has been cheated on can reduce the care of offspring that he gives or even desert an unfaithful female. The female is apparently able to select out genetically good sperm from bad sperm very effectively. This means that by occasionally cheating, she is maximizing her chances of having healthy offspring because one copulation with good male sperm is better than 30 copulations with bad sperm. So even a little cheating can have big benefits. The greatest threats to Gouldian finches and other grass-eating birds are changes to habitat resulting from "altered fire patterns and grazing pressure". This is the polite way of saying "human interference and livestock causing environmental degradation"!

According to Victoria Naturally Alliance report, Victoria's natural environment and biodiversity are under serious stress. More than half of the state's native vegetation has been cleared, 44% of Victoria's native plants and 30% of our animals are threatened or extinct. Unfortunately, evidence shows that the condition of Victoria's land and biodiversity is continuing to decline. Why are developers so hard to say NO to? The west is overgrazed farm land, industrial or defence areas. They should be re-vegetating and restoring the wastelands, not bulldozing and making more concrete housing estates. Why are developers so hard to say NO to? People are being forced to live there, not because it is attractive, but because of outlandish housing prices in other urban areas. The tremendous financial and political power of the growth-lobby is far greater than the threat of anthropogenic climate change, or any global or local environmental or sustainability concerns.

In June 2010, the balance of international merchandise trade (i.e. the value of exports less the value of imports) for Victoria was a deficit of $3,036m. Compared with June 2009, Victoria's trade deficit in June 2010 was $621m (25.7%) higher, with a rise in the value of exports (up $217m, or 15.3%) being offset by a larger rise in the value of imports (up $838m, or 21.8%). In other words, Victoria continues to import more than export. The states with the largest increases in retail trade (seasonally adjusted) in July were Victoria (1.7 percent), Queensland (1.5 percent) and New South Wales (0.6 percent). Australia recorded a trade deficit of $1.9 billion in February 2010, according to figures released in April by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. This is an increase of $804 million on the revised January trade deficit of $1.1 billion. The Bureau of Statistics data shows a 2 per cent increase in the value of exports being outweighed by a 3 per cent increase in imports. This will put more pressure on state governments to clean up their balance sheets by selling off their existing infrastructure assets, as Victoria did with electricity under Jeff Kennett but which NSW and Queensland have failed to do. And it means even more of our infrastructure will have to be funded by private money. Independent South Australia Senator Nick Xenophon said he would push for tougher foreign investment rules to protect Australia's water resources from falling into the hands of overseas buyers. "International investors are circling australia's water market and there's virtually no oversight of purchases by the Foreign Investment Review Board,'' Senator Xenophon said. Our new federal government needs to urgently acknowledge that access to an adequate potable water supply is a basic human right, and that Australia's limited water resources need to be closely managed for the benefit of all Australians. Instead of "prosperity" promised by population growth, we are becoming a nation of consumers of imported goods and services. Selling our infastructure, natural assets such as land is water, is obscene and a betrayal of Australia's interests.

Many parts of Melbourne's west look and feel more like the third world than Australia with the crime, violence and dysfunction to match. Sadly, the east is rapidly moving in the same direction. Not that the people arriving here are disfunctional or inappropriate as Indian people are generally good migrants and work hard - more that can be said of some who have come here previously! However, the problem is numbers. "Multculturalism" and "diverstity" is not needed now, as we are already diverse and multcultural. Our growth is not simply like a teenager going through a growth spurt! Teenagers grow to adults, then growth stops! Australia has no population plan, and no policy or science to support our ongoing growth or carrying capacity. We are growing limitlessly and recklessly. With the parallels between Mumbai and Melbourne, population growth can't be humanely cut back! We are simply importing the Earth's problems and spreading them here. Our elected leaders are choosing to ignore the rest of the globe, its threats, and continue with their retro "populate or perish" mentality. Victoria's sterile West, grazed out and used for industrial/defence purposes, should be revegetated and stocked with with biodivesity as a buffer, insurance, against climate change instead of being bulldozed and concreted over with housing estates.

Well well well, how prophetic. Big Kev and Maxine McKew, both out in the cold, just like you said, Sheila, in the Federal Elections. These elections were a first where Australians were actually able to express themselves against the big population pushers. Maxine is truly a Dodo and Kevin is just like Nebukenezzah.

The unstated implication behind the "skills shortage" excuse for high immigration is that Australian people aren't themselves smart enough to acquire the skills necessary to keep their society functioning. All properly managed human societies should be capable of creating, from amongst their own ranks, a sufficient number of workers with the necessary skills. Australia's relative shortage of skilled workers is the predictable and avoidable (and, more than likely, planned) consequence of the failure of our elected governments and private employers to train Australia's workforce in recent decades.

Why do we need more immigration? Because we have a "skills shortage". Why do we have a skills shortage? Because of rapid population growth driven by immigration. Editorial comment: The subject was just "Catch-22". I changed it to '"Skills shortage" Catch-22' to make it more descriptive,

It seems to me, looking back over my life - I was born in the late 1950s - that Australia in the 1960s and 1970s was a decent, if not altogether perfect, place for workers to live. Ordinary workers had good wages, career and training opportunities, and the major costs of living, particularly shelter, were cheap. Such a standard of living and quality of life would be regarded by many of today's ordinary Australians as paradise on earth, compared to what they endure now. All this has been lost in little more than a generation. How?

In part this has been lost because the supposedly dissident counter-cultural political movements of the time refused to acknowledge what was good about this country. Unfortunately I participated in these movements myself, in my gullible youth. Their leaders spent a lot of energy convincing ordinary people that they were exploited and that all would be better once we got rid of the exploiters. In reality, the most ruthless of exploiters used this period as a stepping stone for their project of stealing the wealth back from ordinary people and the supposed left-wing helped this to happen.

The project began from the mid-eighties, most notably during the years of the supposed Labor governments of Bob Hawke and Paul Keating.

Those governments implemented the initial stages of the agenda, also known as neo-liberalism. This agenda included the corporatisation of many public services, the privatisation of our retirement funding, the destruction of job opportunities offered by the public service, the deregulation of Australia's financial system and the initial steps to privatise government-owned assets, including QANTAS and the Commonwealth Bank.

Much of what occurred in this period shows remarkable similarity to more dramatic examples given in Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine, as occurred in, for example, Chile, Poland, the former USSR, Iraq, etc.

Unless this is stopped and a substantial democracy restored in Australia, then there is nothing that will stop us from reaching the grinding poverty of countries like Bangladesh, as our population grows and as our environment is destroyed. That the so-called Left is silent about this is for me confirmation that they are corrupt and actually the tools of Australian and overseas ruling elites, contrary to what they would have us believe.

See, also, Bandicoot's article "The failed promises of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights" of 18 Sep 2010 and comment "So, why isn't decent affordable secure shelter a human right?" (19 Sep 2010)

The University of Western Sydney, in association with the UWS Hawkesbury Foundation, recently held its inaugural Hawkesbury Conference where the focus was on problems that major world population hubs like Sydney face. Against a background of dwindling agricultural land and water supplies, increasing pressure is also being placed on farming systems – what, if any, are the solutions? Read the article by Christine Paul. Sheila Newman, population sociologist

the Governments present and in the future need to Realise Australia belongs Australia, not Foreigners. Oh How the almighty Dollar rules and everything else is neglected because of Greed. Bob Brown is right, The same thing Goes with Mining Our precious farming and Cropping Land. Coal seam Gas trials in The South Burnett have Poisoned The underground aquifers, ruining water supplies. When are the governments going to Respect the Wishes of the people who Vote them in. These people make promises to the voters just to get their Vote and once they get in they just do what they please.They all have an agenda to deceive us all. We as AUSTRALIANS deserve Better. WE are Proud 7th Generation Decendant of Convicts.(petty Criminals) all of whom after getting their Freedom, Became Land owners, and worked hard at making this Country what it is today. Their Decendants also Fought For This Country and its Freedom. Some of whom still Do today. No Government has the right to Sell our Australia out to the highest Bidder. and ruin the Future for our famiy's. Our Ancestors Didn't Give their lives for our Freedom and Our Country Only to Have some Do-gooder or Government to haphazardly just fritter it away as if it Can be sold off for their own Greed. How Dare they insult the Pioneers and ANZAC Australians. And They Have little respect for This Country or it's people.

We like many thousands of Australians are not happy with either Party in the Last election, or the Three independants being allowed tomake the final decision as to who would Govern Australia. In all fairness we should have Gone back to the Poles. Neither Gillard or Abbott can be trusted with running the Country. Australia needs a Government that will do what the people vote them into do.and not Betray the Voting Australian. Dick Smith put Forward a few Ideas before the Election, things most Australians have wanted the elected Governments to Do but won't. Like Stop imigration, Mining Precoius Farm Land.Educate and Train our own people for the Jobs, stop importing Food and Goods. Australia is more than Capable to produce what ever we need without inporting everything, Most of which is inferior to what we ourselves can Produce. It Cost the Australian Tax Payer 80,000 for every Boat person/ Illegals to be processed while there are over 50,000of our own homeless people with out a roof over their heads while the Assylum/Boatpeople are put up in four star accomodation in Motels. Homeless people Can't get centrelink payments because the have to prove they have somewhere to live before they can get the Dole. There are Family's who are homeless in This Country, only because they Do Work,but Can't afford to Pay rents and feed their family and pay the cost of every Day living on the wages they get.yet they Pay taxes. Their Tax money is being wasted on those who choose to just arrive and expect to be taken care of.if These Illegals/Boat people can afford to Pay the people Smugglers 15,000 Dollars each to arrive here, then where are they getting that kind of Money to turn up at the Back door expecting to be made welcome when our own Don't have that kind of Money. Yet have to Go with out Just to make the arrivals Comfortable. it's a Disgrace, Read the Australian Sovereignty Party Policy, Our Community Did and No They won't be Getting our Vote either, Very unrealistic and definately not what Most Australians want's. We Need a party who is there to help us not try to "Educate" as they put it to their way of thinking. We need a party to work with the People not to inforce their beliefs on us or our Children.

In tragic news from Victoria, newly-released figures show that almost one late-term abortion is performed each day in the State and many of these abortions are for "psycho-social" reasons. Figures from the 2007 annual report of the Consultative Council on Obstetric and Paediatric Mortality and Morbidity show that 345 late-term abortions were carried out in 2007 - and 54 babies survived the procedure and were then left to die. This is a marked increase on 2005 figures which showed that 47 of the 309 post-20 week abortions performed resulted in the delivery of a live born child who was then left to die. 164 of the late-term abortions (or almost half) carried out in 2007 were performed at a Melbourne clinic on women with healthy foetuses who said they were suffering psychological or social problems. Two of the terminations of healthy foetuses were older than 28 weeks' gestation, but the majority were performed on women who were about six months' pregnant. These figures - reported as the highest on record - are even more distressing when you consider that they reflect the situation before abortion was decriminalised in Victoria. Late-term abortions at Melbourne's Royal Women's Hospital appear to have increased from one per fortnight to an alarming three per week since Victorian politicians decriminalised abortion in October 2008. Media reports claim that "midwives and doctors feel traumatised" by having to perform so many late term abortions. These revelations are yet further evidence of the appalling situation for unborn children in Victoria, where babies old enough to survive outside the womb are being aborted regularly. "These are babies that are older than some of the children who are born premature and who will thrive. There are literally thousands of upstanding Victorians who they could be adopted out to, but they're being aborted," said Dr David van Gend, of the World Federation of Doctors who Respect Human Life. Right to Life member Dr Mathew Piercey said the deaths raised significant issues for medical practitioners. "If there is a chance of life then resuscitation facilities should be there. People could be in serious breach of their duties," Dr Piercey said. Victorians wishing to express their concern for this situation and their opposition to these laws can register their views with Victorian Health Minister Daniel Andrews at [email protected] and Shadow Health Minister David Davis at [email protected] . Source: Compiled by APN from media reports

Ecological Internet: Ecological Internet PRESS/SOCIAL MEDIA RELEASE Tasmanian Timber giant Gunns to End Old Growth logging In a massive win for the environmental movement, the new head of Tasmanian timber company Gunns Limited has broke ranks with Tasmania's forest industry and confirmed it will pull out of native forest logging altogether. At an industry conference in Melbourne Thursday, Gunns’ new chief executive Greg L'Estrange announced the company will move away from logging native forests and develop plantation-based products. "Native forest is not part of our future," he said. "We see that the conflict largely has to end. Our employees and the communities we operate in have been collateral damage to this process. We want to move our business to a plantation-based business." Further, Gunns revealed it would quit the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania, which was arguing for a continuation of native forest logging in the state. The promises, if fully implemented, are a huge victory for Tasmania and Australia’s forest movement, such as the Wilderness Society, as well as a large body of international affinity campaigns. Tasmania has the tallest flowering plants on Earth, with trees reaching over 90 meters, and contains Australia's greatest tracts of temperate rainforest. Australia’s intact Eucalypt forests are also extraordinarily carbon rich. Gunns and Tasmania's environment movement have been long-time foes, culminating in a bitter five-year lawsuit brought by the company against 20 conservationists, including Greens leader Bob Brown, which Gunns lost in 2009, while failing to stifle opposition. Ecological Internet played a critical role in the victory with over a decade of Internet action alerts and protests, which successfully internationalized the issue. Most recently in August of 2008 some 7634 global citizens participating in EI’s Earth Action Network [1} sent 450,906 protest emails, urging the actions taken yesterday. Over a dozen such alerts were done by EI urging and end to Gunns’ native old growth logging over the years. Some thought EI’s demands to end – rather than regulate or certify –Tasmania’s primary forest logging as too extreme, yet if this announcement is implemented, EI’s demands will have been met in full.

Vast numbers of young people and the underprivileged will never be able to raise a family within the security of their own home. Australian urban areas, especially Sydney, have emerged as perhaps the most aggressive examples of high-density policies in the world. The Australian Conservation Foundation's Consumption Atlas calculation shows that greenhouse gas emissions of those living in high-density areas are greater than for those living in low-density areas. Household electricity and heating fuel are about twice as much as transport and the amortised emissions from the construction of the dwelling are more. With regard to building and transport usage per person, apartment living uses more overall energy. Operational energy use per person for electricity and heating fuel is nearly twice as much in Sydney apartments as in single-family dwellings. Consideration of elevators, clothes dryers, air-conditioners and common lighted areas such as parking garages and foyers make these findings readily explicable. What is more, the per resident energy required to construct high-rise is much more than the energy needed to build single-residential dwellings. Also, high-density hardly reduces per person travel intensity at all. The overwhelming evidence that high-density is less sustainable than low-density does not prevent high-density proponents from unashamedly making misleading claims. Melbourne, which is growing by 1700 people a week, is home to almost 4 million and has one of the largest urban sprawls in the world. Opponents to the urban growth boundary extention say greenhouse emissions and the cost of building new power, water, education, transport and health infrastructure will cost Victorians $40 billion. The Australian Conservation Foundation has called for cuts to immigration, saying that a rising population will make it much harder to reduce greenhouse gas pollution, restore our rivers to health and ensure a good quality of life for everyone. However, the tremendous $$$ power of the growth-economists is much greater that the powers of the environmental and climate change lobby, and have much more sway over government policies.

Well done to Robert, being sworn into NSW Parliament today. Rob is a hard worker for true conservation and also a dedicated hunter. The two go well hand in hand. Nothing wrong with hunting elephants as part of a conservation management control programme. Anyone who thinks otherwise is truely ignorant of elephants in Zimbabwe. Thanks to Robert we will the see the continuation of having two good guys in the NSW Upper House to ensure we have appropriate wildlife management programmes, decent and sensible gun laws and much more. Again congratulations to the Hon. Robert BORSAK, MLC Editorial comment: This comment is from a supporter of the NSW Shooters' Party. In our view, nothing in this comment adds anything new to this discussion.

The people of Queensland are of no importance to this untrustworthy and deceitful duo, the sooner we have the likes of vermin from positions of trust removed, we can then advance, we as musicians have been targeted for extinction, when voting day arrives just remember who put us under threat, not only us but the workforce of Queensland. abb

A sensible population policy for Australia would be to aim at stabilising the population within a generation or so and that this was quite feasible if we limited immigration. Population should more-or-less stabilise somewhere between 19 and 23 million sometime before 2050. If we maintained an immigration policy of up to 50,000 a year, this could be possible. However, business basically wants strong population growth because they see bigger markets as being good for immediate profits. Short-term gain is being given preference over long term sustainability, and many converging environmental threats are becoming more obvious. Last year we grew our population by almost 500,000?—?the equivalent of the entire state of Tasmania. How can our governments be addressing climate change, our environment, "working families" and housing affordability at this rate? The cost of infrastructure for all these people would be massive. We, the tax payers, must pay for this growth. According to Dick Smith: "I’ve made more money out of Sydney real estate in the past 20 years than I ever did from electronics and publishing. Why grow a real business that employs people when you can sit back and let population growth make profits for you? " Less reliance on manufacturing, commerce, simply keep adding people to prop up economic growth until the costs outweigh the benefits, and then repairing the ecological damage may bet too late.

Gunns is ready to quit native forest logging, with the timber giant set to leave the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania. Company chief Greg L'Estrange told The Age that its future focus would be on plantation timber and processing. Australian Greens deputy leader Christine Milne said the woodchipper should be compensated if it pulled out of supply deals with Forestry Tasmania. The announcement was made at a conference in Melbourne yesterday, where Mr L'Estrange effectively conceded defeat in the decades-old war over Tasmania's native forests. The Age - Timber giant concedes defeat in decades-old logging war Together with the recent supreme court judgment against VicForests for not protecting wildlife or old growth forests, this news is an excellent outcome and the result of fierce and persistent lobbying!

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Dear Ed I agree with your comments to SearchForTruth, It doesn't seem like anything has sunk in however. Menkit "It’s embarrassing for Australia that we eat our own wildlife ....I’m here to tell you it’s just not right. Simply do not buy, use or eat kangaroo products” ~ Steve Irwin Sign the most important petition ever created to help kangar

So immigrants in Sydney's infamous ethnic southwest urban enclave 'Bankstown' were found dealing in narcotics, possessing illegal firearms. Then 55 year old Philip Nguyen (obviously a Vietnamese immigrant) has been charged with shooting an Australian police officer, Constable Bill Crews, last night during a drugs raid.

If found guilty,Nguyen if born overseas must be immediately deported to his country of birth. Tolerance is an Australian trait, but such criminality mandates auto-deportation.

Ethnic-thugs are unwelcome in Australia. Why do we have Aussie Special Air Services seconded to Afghanistan, when imported thugs are gunning down Australian police back home? Clearly local police are no match for the terrorist thuggery of violent foreign terrorists permitted on Australian soil.

Australian Immigration is obviously turning a blind eye to its terms of granting residency and citizenship. The public policy mandate of multiculturalism means that even Osama Bin Laden could apply for Australian citizenship in full turban and Kalashnikov -denial of Australian traditional values government public servants have been brainwashed.

Ethnic violence and ethics gangs have no right to Australian gaols.
Bugger ethnics off back to their homeland even if the death penalty prevails there.

Australia is a softy for 'ethnic-thugs' and Australians have had a gut full. Ethnic violent attitude gives all immigrants a bad name.

Send dem ethnic-thugs back!

In response to Mokekiai (3rd July 2010): Those born in a country have birth right entitlement to their home and nowhere else. This means that descendants of immigrants to a country are natural citizens of their birth country and no where else. Such offspring are distinctly a separate nationality to their parents. This was the parents decision and the parents need to live with the consequences: the parents are a different nationality to the children and their rights are completely different. Indigenous peoples hold a higher moral right to country than anyone else. But the relative jurisdictive rights between indigenous people and birth descendants of colonists remains unresolved by humanity globally. Perhaps Mokekiai whose name suggests 'ethnic' may suggest ideas? Pacific Islanders immigrating to New Zealand, naturally have less rights than Maori. Just like if Maori immigrating to Tonga will have less rights than Tongans. Indigenous and birth rights are naturally and hereditarily superior to immigrant rights. People can't just turn up in another's land and tell local people what to do! To try to do so is aggressive invasion.

Most of us have by now heard the forecast there will be 9.2 billion people in the world of 2050. But current projections suggest human numbers will not stop there – but will keep on climbing, to at least 11.4 billion, by the mid 2060s. The central issue in the human destiny in the coming half century is not climate change or the global financial crisis. The world food production system today faces critical constraints. Not just one or two, but a whole constellation of them, playing into one another – and serious ones. Today almost a quarter of the world’s farm land is affected by serious degradation (FAO 2008), up from 15% two decades ago. The world is haemorrhaging nutrients at every link in the chain between farm and fork. Ecological overshoot is the term used by the Global Footprint Network to describe how humanity now withdraws more resources from the planet than it is able to replace in a year. There has been almost no real increase in funding of the international ag science effort since the 1970s – although the human population has doubled. One way to adapt is to double the amount of vegetables in the diet, many produced in these new urban systems using recycled water and nutrients! There are many health benefits of a vegan diet, and it avoids the heavy costs of the livestock industries on our environment, and food demands. However, more people are demanding meat, due to rising prosperity in Asia. Global Food Crisis: Science alert In the book Cribb suggests ways we can both limit population voluntarily, curb demand and reduce waste of food. “The Coming Famine” by Julian Cribb will be published by the University of California Press and CSIRO Publishing in August 2010.

To the Editor: The comment states the obvious: the puzzle of population. Population means: more mouths to feed, more electricity consumption which leads to more coal being used to supply the country, the more coal used the bigger the impact on the climate/environment and human health. Power stations bring money to the country and supply people with jobs. The health bill is through the roof, prices are going up leaving the average Joe Blow out of pocket and closing small businesses. The impact the power stations have on water supplies and agriculture; the taking of fertile land for coal beds, means job loss in that sector and eventually may lead to the closure of fish & chip shop businesses. As I said ,attention needs to be paid in the health sector, renewable energy needs to be more of a realism and education needs to be reviewed.

This has to be in part a reflection of the dereliction by government of its duty to promote respect for our wildlife. All state governments stigmatise kangaroos as 'pests', without adequate statistical or ecological rationale. Sadly the idea of chronological progress is equally falsely based. Objectively, Australia is no more 'advanced' in matters ecological and zoological, than the society that saw the dodo off into extinction. Sheila Newman, population sociologist home page Articles Copyright to the author. Please contact sheila [AT] candobetter org or the editor if you wish to make substantial reproduction or repu

Monash University vice-chancellor Ed Byrne sees the continuing decline in the number of overseas students as a threat to universities, one that could "seriously harm higher education". On the contrary, this should be seen as a bonus for Australians wanting to study, with more places available for tertiary students in the future. In the decades after the war, the Columbo Plan helped many students from overseas to gain an education. These students had to leave Australia once their studies finished so they could contribute to their own countries' economic development. We used to export skills! Now, education in Australia has become a back-door to immigration to lure wealthier foreigners who can afford the fees! Our tertiary education system should be a national priority, and supported adequately to educate Australians wanting to study. In the light of our "skill shortages", it is time our universities and colleges stopped being businesses and started being available for our own youth. Our taxes should be sufficient and education of our next generation become a priority. And contrary to the Columbo Plan, we shouldn't be poaching graduates from developing countries where they are needed!

So a kangaroo's legs got "shot off" in the Kirip case according to Scott and the sadistic culprits received a $10,000 punitive fine each? Do punitive messages change sadists? No. If animal sadism in Australia attracts a $10,000 fine each then to be consistently immoral, Australia needs to change the Crimes Act nationally to allow the legs of a human child to be shot off and only incur a $10,000 fine accordingly - it doesn't matter what race the child is. In fact, the legless victim need not even be a child. If the sentient penality is $10,000 for legs, we have retarded our morals back to primitive sub-animal standards. We may as well return to trade in slaves and children again, as their value is benign. But if the sentient standards are to meet 21st Century standards, the Bunbury Sadists deserve 'psychiatric life' in detention. Martin Bryant had similar tendencies to animal sadism. These criminals need to be on a register like pedophiles are, since their behaviour is chronic and likely to re-occur. Personally I abhor cruelty, so would gladly commit the two sadists Grayson Delury and Jeremy Robert Lutley to a painless lethal injection and then have a cuppa. Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria 3885 Australia

Newly appointed Greens MP Adam Bandt says he wants to introduce legislation to end the discrimination on marriage for same-sex couples. Parliamentary reforms that the three independents and Mr Bandt are all pushing for would mean that - if implemented - private members' bills would have to at least be debated. Political parties would not be able to use their numbers to suppress discussion around such bills. ''I would like to introduce a bill to remove the discrimination and I would hope the major parties would vote with me,'' Mr Bandt said. While Ms Gillard and Mr Abbott have said that they are opposed to same-sex marriage, a number of MPs are believed to personally support it. Like many other failed social experiments before it, the same-sex marriage agenda is driven by a blinding rush of idealism filled with the best of intentions. Under the guise of multiculturalism, we allowed a laudable desire for tolerance to morph "diversity", separatism and contempt for Western values. We verge on beginning another disastrous social experiment with same-sex marriage. There is a notion that marriage is just private love sealed by the state. But it ignores our learned wisdom from human experience. The state has a long history of defending traditional marriage not because it likes to put its stamp of approval on love affairs but because of its institutional value: marriage has withstood the test of time as the best way to rear the next generation. It has nothing to do with "discrimination" but a different state of relationship. Being barred from "Marriage" is not about being a second-class citizen, but the fact marriage is a social compact between a mother, a father, children and the state.

Unfortunately the $10,000 fine is the maximum penalty these sadists can be expected to face if they are found guilty. The maximum penalty is rarely if ever applied to crimes such as this one. I can only assume that this apathetic attitude towards our wildlife contributes in no small way to the general feeling amongst many West Australians that it is OK to shoot kangaroos. It never ceases to amaze me how many people are completely unaware that you are not allowed to shoot kangaroos in this state unless you have a licence to do so.

The formation of the new Gillard Federal Government with Independent support is about the best possible outcome for democratic control of this country in the circumstances. As argued in my article, an Abbott-led coalition Government almost certainly would have 'discovered' a necessity to inflict all sorts of harmful policies, not discussed in the election, on the electorate as did John Howard after the 1996 elections. It is also good that voters did not fall for the Murdoch-press led campaign to demonise Federal Labor Prime Minister Julia Gillard for having ended the harmful, incompetent and dictatorial rule of her former leader former Labor Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. However, if there were good reasons why people should have voted against Tony Abbott there was one good reason to vote for him. That was his stated opposition to Mandatory Internet Filtering. Julia Gillard's Government is intent upon imposing this extreme form of control over the lives of ordinary people. However, Julia Gillard is allowing public parliamentary hearings into Mandatory Internet Filtering to occur before the legislation is implemented. We should use this opportunity to make known the overwhelming and conclusive case as to why no accountable and democratic government, with the best interests of the people at heart, should have any desire or need to check, against a black-list, each and every one of the tens of millions of mouse-clicks or entered URL's which are sent from their personal computers by millions of Australian Internet users every day. Paradoxically, as argued elsewhere, filtering won't stop the appalling abuses, that filtering's proponents claim that it will end. All it will do is stop less technically capable and less affluent Internet users from being able to access such material. More affluent and technically capable people will still be able to consume such material with little obstacle posed by the filters. Those in the Australian Government truly wishing to end such an outrage as child pornography should cooperate internationally with Governments similarly opposed to child pornography to outlaw such material and to put behind bars any adults guilty of participating in the production this material. Where Governments show themselves prepared to tolerate the production of such material on their sovereign territory, and refuse to cooperate with Governments trying to end child pornography, then a strong case could be made for the entire banning of such a country from the Internet. This could be easily accomplished without our Government needing to spy extensively on all of its citizens. A better way to end, once and for all, the scourge of child pornography many, instead, be to publish lists of such sites, together with clinical explanations of the abuses depicted and to make it a crime to access such material. Although some monitoring of traffic to and from those sites will be necessary, It should still be possible to enforce such laws without spying extensively on all citizens.

The fine of $10,000 each is a good result, however, it can never compensate for the horrific suffering endured by this kangaroo and the joey. Humans are an enemy of kangaroos, and due to unrelenting hatred and scorn from our Colonial past, they are treated as "pests", "vermin" and "plagues", and justly allowed to be shot at for entertainment! With the commercial killing industry, how are (probably) illiterates supposed to know the difference between "harvesting" kangaroos and shooting at them for sport? They are just targets with no intrinsic value, and nothing more!

In an update on the kangaroo cruelty case in Kirup: TWO Bunbury men who allegedly shot off the hind legs of a kangaroo face a fine of $10,000 each. The western grey kangaroo and a joey in its pouch had to be put down by a professional shooter. Donnybrook Police allege a 32-year-old man from Carey Park shot the kangaroo with a .223 rifle and a 21-year-old man from Bunbury held a spotlight for him. “They said they were down there shooting pigs on someone else’s property when they spotted a kangaroo – and shot it – in a neighbouring property,” Senior Constable Becky Breedveld said. “Both hind legs were shot off and it had tried to get away on its stumps. “A joey in the pouch had to be put down too – it’s a sad story.” A professional kangaroo shooter called police about 8pm on July 31 to report three men in a ute firing into paddocks near Kirup. Police saw the vehicle on their way to investigate and pulled it over, seizing three firearms. A 43-year-old from Dalyellup, who drove the car was not charged with the killing but received a traffic infringement for carrying people in the back of a ute. The men will appear in Donnybrook Magistrate’s Court next month.

My understanding is that 1080 is naturally occuring in the West Australian Gastrolobiums or poison pea. It does occur in other Australian plants but it is predominant in south western Australia. As a result WA wildlife (in the SW area) has a higher level of natural tolerance to 1080 than wildlife from the remainder of Australia. The laying of 1080 baits in the southwest of WA is highly selective against non-native animals, such a claim can not be made in other parts of Australia. Furthermore there is evidence suggesting that some species of birds such as bronzewing pigeons in WA feed on the poison pea and store 1080 in their bones. Foxes and cats that feed on these birds could therefore become victims of natural 1080 baiting.

I recall hearing a radio program within the last two to three years or so discussing 1080. I don’t recall the name of the program and have not done any research into the issue since so I am not saying the information is necessarily reliable. What I do recall was the following message which at the time I found extremely fascinating and undoubtedly that is why the memory has stuck with me. The active ingredient in 1080 is apparently a naturally occurring substance in Australian native plants in relatively high concentrations. Sadly I cannot recall which plants but have a feeling it was grasses. Our native grazers, I believe marsupials were mentioned have a natural high tolerance to the ingredient and thus can tolerate doses which would be lethal to imported species such as the European rabbit and fox with no resistance at all, which are the prime target for 1080 baits. It is this feature which makes 1080 such an effective bait against the target pests. Even our local Carnivores and predatory omnivores have a evolutionary resistance also due to direct ingestion of the chemical in their diet ( omnivores) or by consuming undigested gut contents of prey animals (carnivores). There was no suggestion that this resistance gave a guaranteed immunity but excesses of many common dietary components , even plain old water can be lethal if consumed in sufficient quantities ( by humans at least). From a different source I have long had the understanding ( 30 odd years or so) that there is no antidote for 1080 and it leaves no trace in the bloodstream of its victims hence its distribution is tightly controlled and Joe Public can only obtain it in pre treated bait form. Commonsense really, as if it were available to just anyone in a bottle or syringe the non traceable and no antidote aspects may prove just a tad too tempting to some people with annoying relatives or other acquaintances. I stress again I cannot attest to the validity of any of the above so don’t shoot the messenger. Perhaps there is someone out there with greater or more certain knowledge or just more time to do the research. If the above understandings were true it would certainly explain why 1080 is banned in most other countries and not here due to the uniqueness of our native flora and fauna. Would appreciate feedback from anyone out there who is better informed than me on this subject.

Quite right CSI, the wealthy foreigners taking their place in Australia is the prime driver of demand inflation - costs of living, housing prices, government budget stress by snowballing demands on public infrastructure and services - health, housing, education, transport, childcare, electricity, water, you name it. The stress is in Australia's capital cities where the migrants settle. And migrant-aligned LibLabs pour billions of our taxes into the capital cities (tollways, desal plants, etc) while ignoring traditional Australia in outside regional and rural areas.

The successive LibLab policies since Whitlam's multiculturalism, ideologically supported by Fraser, has created in Australia, Skilled Migrant-led inflation.

Whereas the asylum seeker issue is as relevant to the problem as the price of toothpaste in Greenland. It is a blatant LibLab propaganda red herring, promulgated by the LibLab aligned media.

More than 400 residents attended a forum on Queensland's Sunshine Coast last night to question Unity Water about increased water prices. Unity Water chief executive officer John Black fielded questions from angry residents for more than two hours at the Kawana forum. A Noosa resident asked Mr Black how Unity Water could justify massive sewerage charges for his local business. "We got our water, our bill for our industrial shed, it totalled $427," he said. "Out of that $12 was for water"! Similar story for those living in Melbourne. Now Victoria is in floods! The cost of the actual water is minuscule compared to the cost of infrastructure and sewerage - to pay for "water security" for a limitless population growth! http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/07/3004493.htm

Many economists have argued that there is no upper limit to human population growth, and that finiteness in resources is meaningless. Prosperity can be had by all. This is how ideologies are, and the nature of economics is one dimensional. Population growth is good, so keep adding more people and simply ignore any environmental context! Although our planet's human "carrying capacity" is unknown, it is undeniable that non-renewable resources will eventually be used up. As such, renewable resources have been and will continue to be plundered until they no longer exist. Pollution will take its toll. Eventually, economists and humanitarians say, "market forces" will determine how big the population gets. We have run out of resources in the past and have always found something else to replace them. Compared to most, the human species has been remarkably successful, despite droughts, tsunamis, famines, floods and fires. Recent economic systems have played a significant roll in this success. However, economic systems also provide an opportunity for a few individuals to pursue self interest at the expense of the many. Among the population, instant gratification is the rule of the day. Following each mass extinction in the past, there was a rapid radiation of new species. Extinctions are a normal part of evolution. The generation of new species requires enough time for adaptation to take place. The rate of ecosystem change is now so rapid that the species which might otherwise have survived a mass extinction may not be able to adapt to the new world. Our world has changed too fast, and too many ecosystems have been damaged. In very cold environments, larger animals fare better. The population of a large "animal" - human - has never before reached such dominance in the ecosystem. The activities of 6 billion humans, with many more to come, indicates ominous consequences for the future of life as we know it

Cruelty? Really? Holding an oppossum by it's tail is hardly cruelty. It is a prehensile appendage, and they regularly support their full body weight with their tail. "Terrifying" an oppossum until it goes limp? That is their natural defense (playing possum...duh) and they hardly have to be "terrified" to do it. As for auctioning, and eating animals...the same thing happens to free range, ethically raised animals that people eat everyday. I don't know or care much about this woman's politics...I don't live in Florida. I just don't think this justifies an uproar simply because a political figure is involved.

On the subject of unsustainable growth schemes, I hear the government constantly harping on "skills shortage" and the need for "skilled migrants". This doesn't make too much sense, for a number of reasons. Then it occurred to me that "skilled" is actually a code for "wealthy". The Australian economy has apparently become dependent on a constant influx of cashed-up newcomers injecting money into Australia, and more importantly buying houses, thereby pushing up housing prices and keeping the building industry busy. Is this how we avoided the global recession? Maybe in part, but it really is unsustainable long term.

To 'Nobody of any Significance', your comment is of significance and you have my vote. Australia has over 100,000 homeless and many other disenfranchised people in our own neighbourhoods.

Nothing profound to say, and not wanting to argue the point with anyone. A long while ago I stopped giving money to over-populated countries and regimes that take earnings from a country like ours, only to buy guns and ignore population growth as their significant poverty factor. I prefer that funds should go to Australian needs like MS, Heart Foundation, Canteen etc.

The film shows vast plastic lined ponds with steep plastic lined slopes which, once the kangaroos have gone into the water, to drink, are too slick for the kangaroos to climb out of again - so they drown. The ponds are built to Queensland specifications. Sheila Newman, population sociologist home page Articles Copyright to the author. Please contact sheila [AT] candobetter org or the editor if you wish to make substantial reproduction or repu

Below is a link showing some disturbing footage of how the plastic lined evaporation ponds used in the coal seam gas and coal fired power industry are cruel wildlife traps. W.A.A.M. feels that this is totaly unacceptable and those responsible must be brought to justice. http://anti-mining.com/videos/kangaroo%20ponds.html Also, if you are interested in the broader threats that the coal seam gas and coal power industries pose to our native flora and fauna, please visit W.A.A.M. W.A.A.M. is the only group involved in the struggle fighting first and foremost for the animals and the environment. We need support in this struggle so please pass these links on to anyone who you think would be interested. Please feel free to offer your feedback on the site. Thank you. Kelly Fraser-Parle W.A.A.M. (We Are Anti-Mining)

The Amazon river has dropped to its lowest level in 40 years in north-eastern Peru, causing severe economic disruption in a region where it is the main transport route. The river is expected to fall further before the rainy season begins next month. But there is some concern that the dryness could persist as what is shaping up to be an intense hurricane season in the Atlantic sucks humidity away from the Amazon. Officials worry the intensity and frequency of droughts could become more severe. "This situation is critical," Robert Falcon of Peru's civil defense agency said of expected food shortages and outbreaks of illness. "The scientists are already saying that because of climate change these events will become more frequent." Twelve pink river dolphins were rescued by Bolivian biologists. They had swum up a smaller river where they were trapped after flood debris blocked the river’s mouth. Adult amazon river, or boto dolphins, are about 6 feet long. They use echolocation for navigation through river waters that contain much underwater vegetation. Overfishing, excessive boating and habitat loss have reduced their population to an endangered status.

Mozambique police kept a close watch over the capital Maputo on Saturday after three days of riots over food and fuel price hikes that left ten people dead and more than 440 injured. It has been a summer of record temperatures – Japan had its hottest summer on record, as did South Florida and New York. Meanwhile, Pakistan and Niger are flooded and the eastern US is mopping up after hurricane Earl. There are "food riot" protests in Mozambique's capital, Maputo, and Chimoio about 500 miles north, due to a 30% price increase for bread, compounding a recent double-digit increase for water and energy. According to the United Nations, more than half the 22 million Mozambican population survives on less than one dollar a day. Wheat prices have soared on global markets over the summer in large part because Russia, the world's third largest exporter, has suffered catastrophic fires in its main production areas. With Mozambique importing over 60% of the wheat its people needs, the country has been held hostage by international markets. Longer term trends in population growth and meat consumption in developing countries also added to the stress. The events of 2007-2008 tipped more than 100 million into hunger and the global recession has meant that they have stayed there. Not only are the hungry still around, but food riots have continued. Half of Mozambique's poor already suffer from acute malnutrition, according to the FAO. The extreme weather behind the grain fires in Russia transformed a political context in which citizens were increasingly angry and frustrated with their own governments.

Dear editor you have missed so much.

Implication is the tool of the writer; inference the domain of the reader, objectivity is the responsibility of an ethical editor.

Assumption of infallibility is the domain of fools.
Search For Truth 6th September 2010

“It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.” (Voltaire 1694 - 1778)

Thanks James, as a qualified commercial pilot, without intending to sound like an advertisement, in a week's time my family will fly to Britain not by the previous default Qantas to the congested Heathrow, but via a more expensive but relaxing stopover in Abu Dhabi then to hassle free Dublin. Price has nothing to do with our airline choice. Qantas is off the list and may as well merge with Garuda.

Claws out for greedy pet breeders The Age Puppy farms are to be outlawed if the Brumby government wins the next election. Dog and cat breeders found to be deploying inhumane practices risk having their animals seized and their operations shut down, said Agricultural Minister Joe Helper. Local councils will be empowered to conduct the seizures. Lobbyists and animal activists have been campaigning for years to have this issue addressed, only to have it swept away as trivial, or be diverted as something that individual councils are responsible for. This is a move forward to stop the avalanche of unwanted dogs in shelters each year, and all the euthanasia ("put down"s) that must be done to make room for the next batch of puppies from the breeders! Why is this being addressed by Agricultural Minister, Joe Helper? Puppies are being bred in battery farm conditions, like hens and pigs, for the mass market. Dogs and cats become family members, and are not livestock! Will battery-breeding conditions for poultry and pigs be banned too? Let's hope so! What about the cruelty of duck shooting? Will the Brumby government also stop the killing the last of our dwindling native waterbirds for entertainment?

Labor Party's longstanding aspiration is to reduce greenhouse emissions in Australia by 60 per cent on year 2000 levels by 2050. It also announced has a commitment to reduce Australia's greenhouse emissions by between five and 15 per cent below 2000 levels by 2020. Treasury led modelling indicates that Australia's emissions will grow from 553 million tonnes in 2000 to 774 million tonnes in 2020. 83 per cent of the forecast increase in greenhouse emissions to 2020 will be attributable to population growth. Australia's social and economic characteristics, especially our growing population and relatively emissions-intensive economy, mean that we will have higher adjustment costs than many other developed countries to reach ostensibly similar goals. Per capita economic growth has been growing rapidly, and so too has Australia's population, with the consequence that overall real economic growth (or Gross Domestic Product--GDP) has been growing by three to four per cent per annum. As the climate scientist David Karoly has recently declared: "Australian governments' policies on population growth, encouraging immigration and an increasing birth rate, also make it more difficult to reduce emissions. This encouragement for increasing population in Australia is completely at odds with the claimed aims of tackling climate change." Most of our migrants come from Europe, China, India and other parts of Asia, where per capita emission levels are a third or less of those in Australia. Once here, migrants rapidly adopt Australian consumption patterns and thus move to a similar greenhouse footprint to that of other Australian residents. Garnaut's final report has nothing to say about population, except to declare that the report assumes that Australia's population will reach 47 million by 2100. Our government must be forced to recognise the significant link between population growth, economic growth, and net greenhouse gas emissions. They are so inherently linked, so intertwined, that any efforts towards reducing emisssions simply become swallowed up by higher population levels - more emitters and conumsers!

Developing countries – including India, China and Brazil – have not signed on to an agreement to cut back greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels, arguing that rich nations should first agree to huge, short-term targets to cut emissions. Without significant new policy action, the OECD projects that world GHG emissions would increase by about 70% by 2050 and continue to grow thereafter. This could lead to a rise in world temperatures of 4°C above preindustrial levels, and possibly 6°C, by 2100. Developed countries have a responsibility not only to take the lead on emissions, but also to significantly scale-up financing to support mitigation action in developing countries. However, developing countries now emit more greenhouse gas than rich countries, according to a study that will intensify demands for all countries to set targets for cutting emissions. China and India are refusing to agree to any cap on their emissions and are instead offering vague targets for cutting emissions per unit of GDP. Loss of forests contributes as much as 30 percent of global greenhouse-gas emissions each year--rivaling emissions from the global transportation sector. Over half of the proposed reductions are expected to come from efforts already underway to stem deforestation in the Amazon, which accounts for about two-thirds of Brazil’s total emissions. In the next 24 hours, deforestation will release as much CO2 into the atmosphere as 8 million people flying from London to New York. Stopping the loggers is the fastest and cheapest solution to climate change. Tourism is an important source of revenue for many developing countries. The snag is that aviation is a major source of greenhouse gases. According to a report prepared for Britain's Optimum Population Trust, spending just $7 on basic family planning would reduce carbon dioxide emissions by one tonne, while achieving the same reduction by using alternative low carbon energy sources would cost $32. By providing voluntary family planning and girls' education in the developing world, population growth will slow and CO2 emissions will be reduced. The developing countries are where the lion's share of population growth will occur, and they also are where development must occur if half of humanity is going to escape from grinding poverty. Slower growth can spur development in low-income countries by enabling families and governments to make essential investments in development and social services. A smaller population will help limit the environmental damage that development brings. Family planning and women's empowerment are vitally important in their own right, as a matter of human rights and social justice. The taboo on population growth must stop, and the emphasis should be two-fold: on reducing fossil-fuel reliance in developed nations, and reducing population growth in developing countries, along with renewable energy sources.

Yet again Menkit you have missed the point, perhaps conveniently. My online encounter with you (see valid links above) demonstrates your willingness to deliberately distort facts. If your prior encounters with the council has embittered their assessment of you who can blame them for being sceptical on this or future occasions, even if on this occasion your arguments may have been accurate? You will be judged by how you conduct yourself, one tends to reap what one sows. If the beast you release comes back to bite you, so be it, it’s the Karma concept. Your online wailing when those in positions of authority don’t appear to listen to you is boring, tiresome and irrelevant. I have no interest in your ongoing correspondence with the Mayor, nor how you conduct yourself generally unless it harms the wildlife you claim to represent. If it quacks like a duck and behaves like a ratbag it could well be a sad, wolf crying, radical activist seeking attention to revel in. If you don’t like the ratbag label and the damaging division it creates don’t behave like one. So long as you continue to undermine your own credibility with such finesse, your talents and passion are wasted. You are probably your own worst enemy, and perhaps you should look within before you lash out to attack those that offer constructive criticism or comment.

Searchfortruth has supplied the following link, which showed that red kangaroos and two kinds of sheep in Australia tended to prefer different proportions of different kinds of food available in grasslands, and that these preferences were most marked in poorer quality pasture:
www.publish.csiro.au/paper/WR9740027.htm. I republish the abstract here:

"Seasonal Changes in Diet Preferences of Free-Ranging Red Kangaroos, Euros and Sheep in Western New South Wales.

BA Ellis, EM Russell, TJ Dawson and CJF Harrop

Abstract

Stomach contents of free-ranging animals were analysed botanically for low Atriplex shrubland in western New South Wales, Australia, during 1972-74 in good seasons producing abundant growth and diversity of vegetation. Red kangaroo (Megaleia rufa), euro (Macropus robustus) and sheep (Ovis aries) selected grass and forbs when those were readily available. In poorer pasture sheep selected mainly flat-leaved chenopods (saltbush) and kangaroos selected mainly grass with different amounts of flat- or round-leaved chenopods. Euros were the most selective, eating grass even when there was little grass present. Potential overlaps in diet between kangaroos and sheep were greatest in good pasture and least in the poorest conditions. The other groups of plants considered were non-chenopod shrubs and browse. Extent of overlap was not clear, because animals may have eaten different species within the groups of plants. The study period did not include any severe drought, in which overlap in diet and competition between animal species would have been most significant.

Australian Wildlife Research 4(2) 127 - 144

Full text doi:10.1071/WR9770127

© CSIRO 1977 "

My impression is that Searchfortruth is reiterating his point that studies demonstrate that there is some competition between sheep and kangaroos for available food. This is his response to a generalisation - which Searchfortruth considered unfortunate - made by one of our writers some time ago, where they implied that the competition between sheep and kangaroos was so small as to be not worth counting.

The text of Searchfortruth's original comment has been 'commented out' because it is overly personalised and repetitive. I hope that Searchfortruth will recognise that the document he/she has put forward has been republished here, along with the substance of his argument.

Population - Climate/environment, health, power stations, jobs, money. Health, renewable energy and education need more attention. Where jobs cease, new will begin. We may not be able to control growth, but maybe we can try, contribute to a healthy population. Editorial Comment: I am not sure whether this comment is pro-'growth' or anti-'growth'. We have to be able to 'control growth' and ultimately achieve population stability or else humankind will destroy its life support system.

Violence is a serious crime and this applies to the UK. Foreign visitors found guilty of serious crimes are automatically deported. Immigrants who are granted temporary or permanent residency or citizenship must agree to comply with the laws of the land. All the UK Parliament needs do to address their immigrant crime problem is to add a clause to the Immigration/Citizenship Act that mandates anyone granted temporary or permanent residency or citizenship who is found guilty in the UK of a serious crime to be similarly deported to the country of origin. Simple! This is simple legislative drafting. It is no nonsense, no loopholes, not racist, just and fair enforcement of UK' civilised rules of the land in order to to protect its citizens. If deportation applies to foreign visitors it can equally apply to immigrants. Clear message! Immigrant criminals, bugger off! Result: More social cohesion , no more ethnic honour violence, women in the UK safer no matter where they come from. Only thing of likely but of inconsequence, is the undoing of "political correctness" and those seeking to impose backward cultures on the UK. As I have said previously, if you allow backward cultures you may as well not deny traditional rites of Solomon Islander cannibalism and headhunting.

Climate change threatens the lives of hundreds of millions of people. However hard governments might work to reduce carbon emissions, they are battling the tide of economic growth. Focusing on direct consumption, per capital emissions, hides the inherent increase in greenhouse gas emissions due to our economy based on high consumption levels , and increasing numbers of consumers. In 2006 Australia’s net greenhouse gas emissions were 576 Mt CO2-e using Kyoto Protocol accounting provisions (DCC 2008c). From 1990 to 2006, Australia’s net emissions increased by 4.2 per cent (23.4 Mt). (The Garnaut Climate change Review) Australia’s net greenhouse emissions totalled 537 million tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent in 2009, a slight decrease, no doubt by the use of solar energy and community awareness. 1990 Australia's population was 17,065,000. Now in 2010 we have 22,445,119 people. This means a 31.5 % increase in population since 1990. There is clearly a very close correlation between population growth and growth in net ghg emissions! According to the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme White Paper13, Australia's expected population growth to 2020 means that a 34% per capita reduction in greenhouse pollution is needed to achieve only 4% national reduction from 1990 levels. Why make this effort for such a small outcome? Per-capita emissions are mainly misleading, and could actually reduce with more people! We have little power over the majority of the per-capita emissions. Any individual efforts are merely consumed by the pursuit of perpetual economic growth. Our growth-based economies will prohibit any real cut to our overall greenhouse gas emissions, and the battle to save our oceans, wilderness areas, indigenous species and natural resources will continue to be an up-hill battle.

A report by the Centre for Social Cohesion - an offshoot of the right-wing think-tank Civitas, whose advisors include the former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey, alleges that the problem of honour violence exists in the country's Muslim, Sikh and Hindu communities, even among second-generation immigrants. Women have been raped, abused and even killed for forming "inappropriate" relationships or merely for wanting to go to university. The report found that women may be attacked for nothing more than listening to western music. Families are claimed to have imported brides to work in prostitution whilst local authorities are not acting against such practices because of "political correctness" and a fear of being accused of racism. Many South Asian men brought up in Britain want to marry uneducated women, known as "freshies", who are "uncontaminated" by ideas of female independence, the report says. Government figures indicate there were 400 cases of honour violence reported last year. In many Asian communities, religious and secular leaders are either turning a blind eye or condoning it. Nazir Afzal, from the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), said that the problem was particularly acute in areas where Islamic extremist groups were active. In some northern towns there are real horror stories - from places like Blackburn where people say that you might as well be in rural Kashmir for all the way that women are seen and treated. "One woman every month is the victim of an "honour" killing, the CPS says. "This has been a silent and invisible practice for too long," says Shahien Taj, director of the Henna Foundation, a women's group in Britain. Source: Telegraph UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1577425/Study-alleges-honour-kill... Not only has Britain imported cultures and population increase, but "diversity" in crimes and human rights abuses! All in the name of a secular humanitarian culture of political "correctness" and anti-"racism"!

Bulls-eye! For a very compelling summary of the nature of money and debt and the financial system's dependence upon ongoing growth see: The Google video Money as Debt An updated version of the original video is now available at: www.moneyasdebt.net They also have a new film out canvassing the topic in context to the recent GFC. I haven't seen either of these two newer films yet. I can't find them anywhere online. I'll have to order copies.

In seeming contradiction to the title of this excellent article, I don't think there are any compelling reasons for humanity to allow a situation which is clearly as harmful to its survival as the interest-driven 'growth' Ponzi economy to persist, except that our society is not run for the benefit of the majority of its members. Our global society is run for the benefit of a small minority who have calculated that they can profit in the short term by allowing a situation that threatens the natural world and, hence, humankind to persist. This could be rectified if we were to re-establish true representative democracy across the globe.

An armed man believed to be James J. Lee took three people hostage in the Discovery Channel network's Washington headquarters before being shot by police this morning, Australian time. The gunman had been upset about the network's programming and had burst into the building waving a handgun and with canisters strapped to his body. Discovery Channel gunman shot dead Here is a summary of his demands: 1. The Discovery Channel and it’s affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn’s “My Ishmael” pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done... 2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions... 3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore.... 4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed.... 5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that... 6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy... 7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race.... 8. Saving the Planet means saving what’s left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! 9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy... 10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. This man was obviously deranged and mentally disturbed, but some of what he says rings true! Our population blow-out, lack of birth control, excessive immigration adding to over-population, infrastructure stress, threats to our environment's integrity and planet's ecosystems, species extinctions, peak oil, denial of climate change, lack of housing and employment, and the media's on-going denial of today's real issues, were obviously heavy on his mind. Many thinkers today are subdued by political correctness, and by deniers! However, even environmentalists ignore the realities of the heavy impacts the blow-out of human populations are having on our planet. Today's generation only wants to deal with symptoms and trivialities and ignore the big picture issues! Handguns, hostages, threats of violence and killing are not the way to changing people's thinking, their hearts, their minds. Change must come through strong arguments, logic, intelligence, ethical thinking and scientific evidence. He lacked integrity, honour and mental stability. PS "ISHMAIL" novel by Daniel Quinn The story begins with a newspaper ad: "Teacher seeks pupil, must have an earnest desire to save the world. Apply in person." The narrator responds at first with disgust because of the absurdity of "wanting to save the world", but decides to answer the ad out of nostalgia for his adolescence during the 1960s children's revolts. Upon arriving at the address, he finds himself in a room with a gorilla. He notices a sign that reads "With man gone will there be hope for gorilla?" Ishmael explains that the Fall of Adam represents the Semitic belief that once mankind usurps this responsibility - historically decided through natural ecology (i.e. food chains) - that mankind will perish. He cites as fulfillment of this prophecy contemporary environmental crises such as endangered or extinct species, global warming, and modern mental illnesses. Read more on Wikipedia Wikipedia on Ishmael

See also Editorial Comment, below. (Originally published: 2 September.) Perhaps the time is approaching where we should temporarily suspend the notion of human reproductive rights and disperse involuntary population control agents throughout the world, and the third world in particular. My suggestion is that we look at developing a genetically modified, oestrogen secreting strain of Chlamydia (a common bacterium infecting the reproductive tracts of humans) that will act as a self replicating and self administering 'pill' for both men and woman. Oestrogen in men is likely to reduce their sperm count to levels sufficient to cause infertility. The contraception would be reversible by treating the infection with a course of antibiotics. But the spread of this 'pill' could not easily be controlled by governments or groups with a view to targeting specific ethnic groups within their borders or beyond. The west would be equally susceptible to this 'pill' as would be the third world. In Australia it is against the race discrimination act to deny Aborigines access to alcohol or any other product. But few Australians would disagree with the fact that suspension of the race discrimination act in order to deny access of entire Aboriginal communities to alcohol is necessary and desirable in order to improve the social conditions of that community in the long term. Over population and the associated human suffering in Pakistan, and the rest of the third world is, is the same sort of situation as outlined above where we should consider suspending human reproductive rights for the greater third world good. Editorial comment: Although what Gregary is advocating may seem drastic and a denial of the most basic of human human rights, it is a mild measure in comparison to what may lie in store for humankind at the hands of a life support system no longer capable of supporting earth's current massively expanded human population, which is continuing to expand. All the same, it seems unlikely that human population numbers can stabilise in circumstances where decisions about what is in the interests of ordinary humans are made by ruling elites in such an undemocratic world as we have today. Let's also not forget that the denial of the most basic human rights is also a reason for the further expansion of human population as many governments in the Third World dictatorially (even where they are formal democracies) prevent ordinary people from practising birth control. One of the worst examples is overpopulated Roman Catholic Phillipines. We stand a far greater chance of being able to achieve global population stability by giving rights to ordinary people than by taking them away. This is not to say that firm measures to dissuade people from having more than two children should not be taken as John Marlowe has argued. However, I think that such measures as those which Gregary is arguing for here pose serious risks for the rights of ordinary people and are, paradoxically, more likely to make our population circumstances worse, rather than better, as a result of the effects of such a measure on individual autonomy and democracy overall.

What John is reporting seems to confirm the theory of the book by Matthew Benns, The Men who killed Qantas, William Heinemann, Australia, 2009. The book describes how excessive profit motive has caused Qantas to sacrifice its safety standards. For your information, this is what it says on the back of the book:

"Qantas - pride of a nation or a National disgrace?

The flying kangaroo was once the natural first choice for travelling Australians. Now it attracts an endless stream of media headlines about mid-air dramas and maintenance breakdowns.

This is the Qantas story that every airline passenger needs to read. It is the full and frank history of Australia's national carrier - a story that includes greed, lies, and crashes.

It takes you into the boardroom where giant golden parachutes are signed-off and onto the hangar floor, where engineers battle accounting cuts to keep planes flying. It takes you back to the foundation of the airline to disprove once and for all the official line that Qantas never crashes.

This is the warts and all history the powerful Qantas PR department does not want you to see ... but you can bet they'll be reading it too!"

Copyright notice: Reproduction of this material is encouraged as long as the source is acknowledged.

We should call for 'Economics' to be supplanted in schools by 'Prosperity', since schools learn the general before specialising in the specific as learning progresses and becomes more channelled on a career direction. Economic, social and environmental theories, accounting and finance and politics and commerce and philosophy, amongst innumerable others are more specific realms of our 'Prosperity' and by 'our' I don't just mean people. Big picture thinking and education is lacking in schools. The educational focus is narrow from an early age and many become sheltered in that single focus, ill equipped for dealing with the world's complexity. Professor Tim Jackson's 2009 book, 'Prosperity without Growth: Economics for a Finite Planet' ought to be an HSC text. Leaders of government now come from this narrow educational environment and enter politics unqualified and useless. All they attain is votes which can come from just being plonked in a safe seat, told to be good and to pick up public relations spin 'on the job'. They are dim on detail, irrespective of what question they are asked. A recent classic was ABC's 730 report presenter Kerry O'Brien on 10th August asking Opposition Leader Tony Abbott basic questions about Broadband speed on the day the Opposition's Broadband policy was released. Abbott knew very little about the details, embarrassingly so, and probably still doesn't. In the 1970s our Parliament attracted learned people like The Hon. Barry Jones AO who not only possessed academic depth in law and science, but vision and a political ability to communicate with plain language. But the current political career path is one driven and controlled by the party apparachiks on a basis of a candidate's popularism not ability. They find compliant puppets at a moment's notice everywhere, and many are dimwits, or worse, halfwits. They are those yes, who conform, don't ask significant questions and don't rock the party boat. They are indeed hired as salespeople, front people for the party; puppets, who deliver he policy, don't question orders and do as they are told. The safe seat system has become the gerrymander moat protecting the dominant parties and their apparitchiks from the barbarian independents. The Vatican is a comparable model. As for thinking men and women, more than not they are situated in safe seats, making it prohibitively inconvenient to move house just in order to change the government...and don't the bastards know it?

It seems a population of dimwits is happiest with leaders who are dimwits. The population mindlessly votes for a reflection of itself. Where exists the thinking man these days? Half the Tasmanian population is functionally illiterate. Is the proportion much the same interstate?

Searchfortruth has written three emails, very personalised to several candobetter.org authors. Here is the substance of the first and second ones, for which we have conserved the original title of the first, but the text of which we are paraphrasing and summarising, because of the abusive style and personalised attack of the original words. The second email was entitled, "You have missed my point again." [This editorial version was edited again on 6-9-2010 to show that it included the second email as well.] Searchfortruth accuses a specific author, M-, of missing the point [but (perhaps due to oversight) fails to articulate the exact point, making reading further an exercise in generality]. Further, he/she asserts that M- wants to present facts in a manner that suits her, rather than the whole truth. In this manner he/she is asserting that they know M-'s motives, but without proof of this. Searchfortruth refers to "the council" in a manner which leads on to believe that he/she shares the same council. He/she suggests that the council has become embittered because of their dealings with M- in the past, implying that the Council has the right to discriminate against a resident for personalised reasons. Searchfortruth suggests to M- that, if the principle of karma applies, others will mete out to M- the treatment she has given them. Searchfortruth describes M-'s articles in unflattering terms, asserting that they have no interest, that she should not be surprised if persons in 'authority' don't take her seriously, and that neither her 'ongoing correspondence' with the Mayor, nor other details of the way she lives, hold interest for Searchfortruth unless they cause harm to animals, which Searchfortruth implies M- might be causing herself. Searchfortruth shows no understanding of the value of M-'s right to publicise her concerns and to her opinion, right or wrong (Voltaire). Searchfortruth fails (in this instance) to avail himself/herself of the opportunity provided by candobetter.org to simply argue the facts. Searchfortruth indicates that he/she believes that M- is a radical and a ratbag and that her ideas are thus discredited, without saying which ideas. This is somewhat global condemnation. Searchfortruth claims that M- would do better to listen to useful criticism and implies that she might thus become more effective. No doubt this is true for all of us, but Searchfortruth's own criticisms are poorly expressed generalities so far, put emotively, and therefore not very useful. We here find them difficult to publish unedited for these reasons. My problem with Searchfortruth's actual words is that they are repetitive in subject, in criticism, uncharitable, and, lacking substantiation, expressed emotionally, they risk making candobetter.org liable for defamation, if published in full. I don't think that our authors, who work without pay and who write on subjects that they care about, in the absence of enough being written on those subjects by professional journalists, should be subject to relatively unconsiderate criticism that amounts to abuse. Searchfortruth is welcome to write considered comments and articles for candobetter.org. He/she is also welcome to criticise statements. He is not welcome to repetitively demand detailed responses to attacks on credibility - which we don't have the time to address. Searchfortruth should comfort him/herself with the idea that anything we publish by him/her that makes a point or expresses a (non-abusive) opinion will be here for all to read. He/she doesn't have to pepper his criticisms of articles with insults. Stick to the facts, Searchfortruth, and we will publish your comments, unedited. If we have missed out some relevant fact here, we apologise. Going through this kind of thing is time-consuming. Please don't take it too hard; try again with an objective review of the data. sincerely, Ed.

Personally, I think these x-ray scanners are horrible and invasive. I underwent breast augmentation after I had a sentinel node removed, and I have to warn you that sometimes it’s better to pay a little bit more and go to a more reputable doctor. I’m not going to list his name because it’s not like a got an infection or was a victim of malpractice or anything – it’s just that he has a poor eye for his work, to put it mildly. If you really want to see what I mean (and have the constitution for this sort of thing) look at the breast augmentation before and after pictures. I understand that I am still recovering from the removal of the lymph node, but this is obviously a botched job here. I guess that’s what I get for getting the operation in Chula Vista. But anyway, the last thing I was is for some TSA idiot looking at a full 3D model of this every time I get on an airplane.

I'm starting to realise that most of our leaders are very poorly educated. They really have no understanding of biological ecology. They are unanalytical - just believe that things will go on more or less as they have been for the last fifty years. They are mostly educated in economics or law, very narrow fields that have no meaningful interface with the laws of nature and reality. They simply don't know what educated people are talking about. They have been allowed to take on positions of leadership because they don't ask significant questions and don't rock the boat. Our state premiers and primeministers are simply salespeople who don't question orders and who admire wealth and position.

The issue that concerns me most is how will Australia handle the transition from a growing to a stable population? This will probably be the most difficult thing Australia has faced since European colonization. Yet the mass media pundits, like those who work for the Economist, seems to ignore this question completely. They paint beautiful pictures of 20 years of wonderful population growth fuelling wonderful economic growth, or of a prosperous big Australia of 40 million people. But they never ask "what next?" Their minds are incapable of this kind of long term thinking. The answer to "what next?" is that those in power, those with money will always be calling for more population growth, regardless of whether we are 25 million, 40 million or a billion people. We will grow until something stops us, and it probably won't be pretty.

3AW NEWS REPORT: There are claims a 16-year-old boy who drowned in the Yarra River on Monday night had been drinking. http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-generic-blog/explosive-aftermath-to-drow... The teenager who drowned in the Yarra was an African refugee in state care and had a $2,000 welfare payment from Centrelink in his pocket. It's alleged the boy and teenagers as young as 13 had been drinking and may have been spoken to by police prior to the drowning. A girl from the group also claims she was raped. The group at the Youth Bus on Federation Square several hours earlier. Police have questioned and released without charge a 25-year-old man and 15-year-old boy. A police spokeswoman says she can't comment on the allegations as the matter is before a coroner. This report raises many questions. Some of these kids would have experienced war and displacement and thus are not suitable for resettlement without proper support services. Why was a 16 year old with a cheque for $2000 from Centrelink? Why were kids so young allowed to drink? Where were the community members, the State carers? "Diversity" is disguising the inability and unwillingnes of people from some cultures to accommodate and assimilate to life in Australia. For those from war zones, it would be better to support them within their own regions and cultures than bringing them here. We already have rising youth homelessness, inadequate State care and rising drug/alcohol usage and crime rates. While refugees and "boat people" are being vilified as illegal immigrants, the heat and attention is conveniently taken off the real cause of our population growth rate, and woes - economic immigration!

As I mentioned in my earlier comment, many people believe that large families have been commonplace throughout history, the norm for most people. You can't survive in an agrarian society unless you have a large family, so they say. Western society they believe has strayed from this historical norm by embracing small families, for good or ill. I strongly suspect this is bunk, that small families of 1-3 children have been the norm throughout history. Probably people aspired to large families, but few could achieve it due to huge childhood mortality. Modern medicine, nutrition and sanitation have enabled large families to become commonplace in many countries - but this is a brief historical anomoly. One way or the other, small families will once again become the norm across the world.

Subject was: Make Wealth History! William Wilberforce argued and won the case against slavery despite a popular perception that the economy could not function without slaves. Economic growth is similarly entrenched, and it may take a visionary of Wilberforce’s calibre to break its hold. Instead of being bonded to slavery, and the threat of economic breakdown if it ended, we are now enslaved to the lie that endless population growth will bring prosperity. People are considered no more than economic units, to be accumulated, suffer intensive confinement, pay excessive costs, all for the benefit of a few elite and the banks! The costs of such ideology is simply dismissed, or the symptoms are dealt with without seeing the cause. Dick Smith has offered the Wilberforce award because endless growth is not sustainable. Dick Smith said that if he "got up from my desk and walked 20 yards to the office kitchen, I’d be standing on the very the spot where Wilberforce and his collaborators met, albeit three floors up". Right out the window he could see the steeple that was donated by the family of Abraham Lincoln to thank the church for its role in ending slavery. MakeWealthHistory In the 19th Century, empires were built on the labour of slaves, and it was believed economies would collapse if slavery was abolished. But brave people like William Wilberforce fought to end the slave trade - and economies still flourished. One year from now Dick Smith will announce the winner of the $1 Million Wilberforce Award to go to a young person who is successful in communicating an alternative to our population and consumption growth-obsessed economy. The Award will go towards advancing the momentum the winner will have already achieved. There are people who deny the world is finite, and that Technology will allows us to grow our potential beyond our finite physical resources, without obvious limits. Technology has helped made our lives easier, but it can't expand our Earth's horizons, or replace natural ecological systems. Addiction to wealth creation that is dependent on misanthropic population growth is a form of human slavery.

Shooting Roos to reduce Roadkill is nonsense. Drivers need to accept the various hazards, take some personal responsibility and drive according to conditions whether those conditions be wildlife, poor road design or maintenance, adverse weather, lighting etc. I regard roadkill as just another check to wildlife populations, more abundant populations will see an increase in roadkill. Drivers need to use common sense. Risk of collision is not a valid reason to support or introduce commercial culling.

It is more than a decade since I migrated (reluctantly) from the Wagga Wagga region but visits since then have only bolstered my opinion of the Wagga Wagga council as a very progressive and forward thinking example of local Government. As a result I am not surprised at this decision. I am not qualified to comment as to the current abundance of roos in the region at present but in the years that I lived there I saw no evidence whatsoever of plagues nor significant pest status where kangaroos were responsible. Other Local governments would do well to look towards Wagga Wagga not just on environmental issues but on other areas of local government fuction also. I don’t support commercial culling, but I do not agree that headshots are inhumane. For me the issue is not how culling is undertaking but rather should it be undertaken is it necessary in a particular area?

The Local Government Association of Queensland's (LGAQ) annual conference on Queensland's population growth will continue in Mackay in the state's north today. Local Government Minister Desley Boyle will update the 600 delegates on State Government issues. LGAQ president Paul Bell says councils cannot let population growth exceed infrastructure needs. Councillor Bell says delegates are keen to discuss the new Local Government Act that was introduced on July 1 and makes 10-year community plans mandatory for councils. Councils association to discuss Qld population growth Not allowing population growth exceed infrastructure needs, or natural finite resources such as water, is an inspiration of logic, a spurt of reason? The costs of infrastructure are not covered by population growth, and adding more people has been a tool to give a injection of funds towards these costs , but can never catch up. This means an addiction of cravings, satisfaction and then temporary relief. Research undertaken by Curtin University found that for every 1000 dwellings, the cost for infill developments is $309 million, and the cost of fringe developments is $653 million. This means $653,000 per house at fringes, and $309,000 per house at infill sites. Additional fringe development costs include hard infrastructure such as power and water, increased transport and health costs, and greenhouse gas emissions. Benefits for a few powerful elites have being given priority over logic, reason, long term planning, costs and any considerations for sustainability.

Today, there are 6.9 billion people on the planet; in 40 years, this figure will reach 9.2 billion. Most political leaders, however, are reluctant to examine the matter. The term "population control" has connotations too sinister for many, even though it can simply mean sensible family planning. For example, if Niger's current growth rates of 3.3 percent per year remain unchanged, by 2050 their population will have reached 50 million. The current population is 15.2 million - and even at this level there is widespread malnourishment. Nearly one child in five dies before the age of five. Almost one in three does not attend primary school. The average Nigerien woman gives birth seven times in her life, the highest number in the world. The latest census data shows that Jakarta is home to around 9.6 million people, or 4 percent of the total population of Indonesia, the fourth-most populous nation on the planet. According to a report from the United Nations Population Fund, more than half the world’s population were living in cities in 2008. This puts massive strain on infrastructures for health, sanitation, food and water resources, not to mention waste products. The world has an image of Ethiopia based on the terrible events of 1984-5 when up to one million died of starvation and when rock stars in the United States and Britain sang ‘We are the World’ and ‘Do they know it’s Christmas?’ to raise money for famine relief. At the time of the great famine Ethiopia had a population of 40 million. It now has 80 million people and that figure could double again in the next 25 to 30 years. Expecting aid to multipy at the same rate is idealistic. Peoples must take responsibility for their own futures. Childbirth is not mandatory and humans must determine their own fates. Unless the tide of population growth can be stemmed, and reluctance to address this topic is overcome, then any aid given is simply swallowed up by more people! Nobody can mop up the floor while the tap is still running. If, due to religious and cultural sensitivies, communities refuse to accept family planning advice and practices, then aid should be abandoned. Family planning is the norm in the West, so why should those in developing countries, where it is urgently needed, be offended by offers of help?

As an Australian, one must ask just when did the retardation of moral decency descend on this nation? For too long governments have condoned the wholesale and brutal slaughter of animals in this country. Joe Citizen unwittingly persists with the belief that this country's native, commercial and domestic creatures are protected from animal abusers by 'stringent' regulations that are supposedly enforced and upheld by a vigilant Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty of Animals. The heinous realities makes a mockery of this country's peak body's brief - that is to protect defenceless animals. Media sources reveals that animal atrocities have become a regular occurrence that is now the norm throughout the nation. Indeed, given the current atrocities occurring, I would suggest that the RSPCA is an impotent body that is failing in its duty and is a sycophant to successive governments who are hell-bent on destroying this country's biodiversity and not least, with the silent approval or from the recommendations of the RSPCA: 1: This month a a parliamentary enquiry found that the WA Department of Environment and Conservation (DEC) were responsible for the inhumane deaths of native and feral animals in WA's outback. Since 1998, the DEC have been acquiring pastoral stations for 'conservation.' In doing so they dismantled all water sources on these properties, thus, over some 12 years, an untold number of animals have needlessly and cruelly perished from thirst. 2. Yet another parliamentary enquiry during 2007 found that the same DEC's industry regulation was 'grossly inadequate' and predominantly responsible for the deaths of 9,500 native birds that dropped from the skies, poisoned by the heavy metal, lead, that was dispersed over large areas by a rogue miner. 3. Coober Pedy in SA has up to 2 million uncapped mine shafts. A recent survey estimated that between 10 and 28 million reptiles are falling into these cavities and are perishing every year. This has been allowed to occur over thirty years and continues with impunity. Is the RSPCA indifferent to these violations, myopic or have they been gagged? Where are the prosecutions? I applaud the author for his/her article on the Majura massacre since only community vigilance and community outrage has the capacity to halt the unnecessary and cruel slaughter of defenceless animals while successive governments commit mayhem and while our peak animal body either condones the slaughter, is oblivious to it, indifferent or remains silent on the inhumane atrocities that remain the status quo in this nation.

A cull of 20 Sulphur Crested Cockatoos is already underway in Sydney. Fortunately there appears to be much debate going on between those that support the cull and those that don't which as it turns out includes the City of Sydney Council. It appears the cull is taking place due to complaints lodged by the owners of several buildings apparently defaced by the accused birds. I would suggest that the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service have been too trigger happy in their decision making and have completely ignored public opinion in the Sydney community. Not suprisingly these lovable larrikans have a huge fan club of inner city folk that crave wildlife interactions in an environment starved of such opportunities. The fact that these cockatoos are native to the Sydney area makes them even more endearing. If you look around any city centre you will inevitably see building facades, window ledges, roofs and statues covered in metal spikes that prevent birds from perching. Why has this exercise not been performed on the buildings in question in Sydney? In Busselton, Western Australia the green light has been given to cull hundreds of Little and Long-billed Corellas by the WA DEC and Busselton Shire. The justifications include the usual suspects outlined in the article above however the West Australian reasoning for the extermination of Little Corellas contains one significant difference. We are told that the Little Corellas in the Busselton area are originally from the eastern states and have built up numbers after aviary releases. Maybe they should compare notes with Horsham Council in Victoria who tell us that their Little Corellas are from Western Australia. I'd be very interested to see what they come up with

Maybe this means the tide against our Australian symbols, kangaroos, is slowly turning? The hatred and fear of our national emblems is completely irrational and simply retro of our Colonial legacy. Fighting against Nature, against Darwin's evolutionary "best fit" for survival theories, is contrary to the interest of native animals and our ecology. After 220 years since European settlement, we still do not know how to live in harmony with our environment, or have any empathy for native animals. A greater proportion of native vegetation has been cleared for grazing and cropping from this bioregion than any other in New South Wales. A major challenge for the preservation of biodiversity across the region is to establish and maintain vegetation corridors that will allow gene flow and hence species to adapt to changes in climate. There needs to be intensive programs for wildlife corridors and re-vegetation project to stop the tide of extinctions. Wagga Wagga City Council is working towards improving and restoring habitats for native flora and fauna. Threats to the endangered Squirrel Glider population in Wagga Wagga Local Government Area include further loss of habitat through clearing of regenerating River Red Gums, lack of regeneration of other native plants, inability to recruit individuals, vulnerability to local extinction via stochastic events and predation from red foxes and domestic or feral cats. There is not room for complacency even for "common" species, or justification for the inherent cruelty of commercial kangaroo killings. Well done to the Wagga council!

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