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Favours UN push for immigration to developed nations
Turkey's admission into the EU?
Livestock squanders lots of water
In favour of this forum, despite Melb Committee presence
The Committee of Melbourne are growth pushers
What is going on ? (In the UK, France, ...)
Gillard, Faine, disdainful of reasonable doubt on 9/11
The government is euphoric
Gate crashers
Why the anti immigration stigma?
Dublin police probe kangaroo outrage
Champions of our fauna
Flora & Fauna: an informative article about AAFNS
Gippsland can ‘take a leaf’
Multiculturalism in Germany has "failed"
Those duped by 'growth' pushers not primarily responsible
'Growth' is just 'economic lust'
The Great Essendon Planning Debate
'Growth' a deceitful term
But what about phoney 'alternative' newsmedia?
Our food security not so secure!
You make me redundant
overpopulation in Manila
Australia is barely a nation at all
7 Nov Planning Backlash public forum on Population and Planning
Forgot to add this..This is
The Green party are a
People being lured to Victoria on false information
Microbats in our disppearing backyards
Taking their land back!
to milly;good
to milly;good question!!!
maybe this quote may help you
" It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of it's powers to repress
dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie and thus by extension, the Truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Josef Goebbels
Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda
Nazi Germany 1933-1945
Editorial comment: Whilst there can no little doubt that propagandists, including Josef Goebbels of a past era of history, and today's most influential journalists from this era, implement this philosophy in practice, it is disputed that Josef Goebbels ever actually spoke these words. As put in the article "False Nazi Quotations":
[Josef Goebbels] always maintained that propaganda had to be truthful. That doesn't mean he didn’t lie, but it would be a pretty poor propagandist who publicly proclaimed that he was going to lie. I know of no evidence that he actually said it.
Whilst it is possible that Goebbels never actually publicly uttered these words, it is clear that many of today's opinion moulders are just as much guided by the principle formulated by these words as was Goebbels in his time.
Brumby's stamp duty pain
Swan River WA..
Its because these Morons
Human race is doomed..
Irrational ranting
Intergenerational solidarlty
Well informed public?
Australian politics are in the doldrums
Disapproves of 'left-wing' 'Socialist' Julia Gillard
Public ambivilence about current affairs
Pure idiocy to sell of our land to foreign investors!
Source: Sydney Morning Herald, Paul Myers
Australia is rapidly losing control of its food resources. The purchase of AWB - the former Australian Wheat Board - by the Canadian company Agrium, now approved by the Foreign Investment Review Board, is the tip of an iceberg where large segments of food processing and marketing have been sold offshore.
Australia should look to its food security, before all the farm is sold
Australians are in danger of becoming servants, not masters, of their own food resources.... Australia and New Zealand are high on China's list. In June, a Tasmanian real estate agent reported strong interest from China in northern Tasmanian dairy farms!
It is pure idiocy to sell off Australian land and agriculture to overseas investors!
The problem is globalisation, and Australia is being viewed as a global resource rather than a sovereign nation, to our disadvantage. Food security will be vital in the future. Whether or not we can sustain our food supply in the future could decide our future survival in the face of population blowout, consumption of global resources and climate change. Australia only has limited fertile soils and water, and protecting what we have is imperative. Already the Murray Darling is under threat from "ecological overshoot'! We are being sold-out by lack of patriotism and poor leadership in Australia, to our detriment.
Prof Julian Cribb, author of The Coming Famine says the most important people in the world are farmers. His book is a wake up call dealing with the most urgent issue facing humanity in the 21st century - whether or not we can sustain our food supply! He says that a food crisis has already started, and food wars are already happening, and water is in ever scarcer supply. Soil fertilizers that have been taken for granted are in severe decline, peak oil has already passed and climate change is real and happening. The "elephant in the kitchen" is population growth, and the mass migrations of "climate change" refugees will escalate! He calls for a doubling of investment in agricultural science because farmers alone will not be able to solve the challenge.
We must adopt a new diet that involves less energy, land, water, nutrients, and pay more for food so that farmers are paid a fair prices. He is not a vegetarian, but assesses that one hectare of land can produce 78 times more food than the same land under beef cattle and employs more people!
With overpopulated nations scouring the planet for land to secure their food for the future, the most futile and dangerous thing is to sell our own land off to foreigners! We primarily need to ensure our own food security and any excess should be exported to support our economy. We are not a global resource, as Australia is still a sovereign nation. We already import more net food than export, and with peak oil setting in, this will become limited. We need firm leadership in Australia - too many wimpy politicians are selling us off to the highest bidder.
Australians know what's going on but not how to stop it
Australians are sleepwalking
Meanwhile aristocratic pollies pensions ramped up
Australian 'Labor' Government has raised retirement age to 67
... But Mike Rafferty from the University of Sydney's Workplace Research Centre says lifting the pension age is an unfair policy. "For many people that are wealthy, they can retire whenever they like," he told ABC Radio's The World Today. "So what it is really doing is it is saying to the working age people who can't afford to retire when they like that essentially now they are going to be pushed further away from retirement." He said the move will cause a greater class rift in retirement."You are going to create larger inequality into retirement because we already know that by the time people get towards retirement age all sorts of inequalities are already locked in," he said. "Now you are going to say amongst those who can't afford to retire, you are going to work longer as well. "It is very narrow-minded. It is single-issue focused and it is an agenda that is largely driven not by necessarily the needs of a country but by the needs of a Treasury." Why does the ABC now delete readers' comments after 3 months? Note: Comments on the abovementioned site from visitors have been deleted(?!) The site says: "Comments for this story are no longer available. ABC policy is to delete comments on stories three months after they are published." Why the ABC presumes that site visitors would not want to read the views of other site visitors or those, who had take the effort to write their comments, would not mind the comments being deleted is not explained. Does the ABC management feel threatened by the expression of critical thoughts? If not, why else would it adopt such a policy so destructive of the creativity of its viewing public?
Ruling caste Colonial class creation reflected in Uni trends
Uni's forced to be commercial due to LibLab starving of funding
Foreign student enrolments at Monash
Why are Greens so reluctant to acknowledge real problem?
Incompetent policians
Indeed, the Greens are reliably ineffective
The Australian Greens have not even kept the Lib/Lab bastards honest - a default role vacated by the Australian Democrats.
Those controlling the Greens must prefer that the Greens remain ineffective - as if Labor faceless factionalism has infected the Greens as well. It seems all Left-leaning malcontents have gravitated to the Greens, causing it to become a contradictory salad of bohemian tossers.
Indeed, the Greens are reliably ineffective. Ask any community grassroots activist group who has sought the support of The Greens with a campaign. A 'Green Agenda' is an exercise in pontification; a phenomenon to behold! Milly's comment 'Vague answers from Greens' demonstrates this quite poetically.
The Greens are so reliably ineffective that their deceptive lure is more 'effective' than if grassroots activist groups dare approach Nationals for support. At least with the Nationals, a spade is a flamin' shovel and such groups have no doubts where they stand.
Vague answers from Greens
Police power needed to enforce desal plant
Green's Senator Sarah Hanson-Young re. population growth
Do their leaders prefer that the Greens remain ineffective?
Greens are leftist Labor not about socio-ecological conservation
'Green' Land-use planning policy like Libs' and ALPs'
No promises to stop population growth in Victoria
Murray Darling a victim of over-use
Overturning a century of greed to better manage the Murray-Darling will be a test of the nation, South Australian Premier Mike Rann says. "For 100 years this river system has been run in the most irresponsible way based on the lowest common denominator of states vetoing other states because of greed and sectional interest".
The long-term productivity and sustainability of the Murray-Darling Basin is under threat from over-allocated water resources, salinity and climate change.
Water use in the Basin has increased five-fold in less than a century. The problems caused by over-allocation have been exacerbated by severe drought and the early impacts of climate change. Add population growth too! There is insufficient water to maintain the Basin's natural balance and ecosystems, resulting in a marked decline in its ecological health.
Many species that once were common are now rare and listed nationally for protection under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999. At least 35 bird species and 16 mammals that live in the Basin are endangered. Twenty mammal species have become extinct since 1900 and Murray Cod, Australia's largest freshwater fish which was once widespread, is in severe decline.
In 2003, 80 per cent of the remaining River Red Gums on the Murray River floodplain in South Australia were stressed to some degree due to the combination of human activity and drought, and 20-30 per cent of those were severely stressed. With the ongoing drought the situation is significantly worse now.
We are supposed to reap Nature's excess, or bounty, not erode its "Capital" - the basic ecological structures that support the production of water! It's like burning a house's beams for firewood and calling it "sustainable"!
By 1994, 77% of the Murray River's annual flow was being diverted for human use, with 95% of this use being for agriculture. Environmental flows were conveniently forgotten in the race for agribusiness profits.
As a result, a lack of water has played havoc with rivers, wetlands, forests and floodplains.
At the economic root of the problem of the water crisis is the unsustainable over-allocation of water allowances in the Murray-Darling basin to farming, particularly the export-oriented agribusinesses.
Victoria exports around 85 per cent of Australia’s dairy product exports, worth around $2.3 billion in 2008-09. As such, returns to farmers are strongly connected to world dairy commodity and exchange markets. Dairy farmers in Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia will be impacted and are now facing an uncertain future. Dairy farming is responsible for the biggest allocations of water.
Australia could lose $805 million a year in agricultural production and 800 jobs, under a draft plan to revive the struggling Murray-Darling river system. That's the assessment of the Murray-Darling Basin Authority.
The removal of vast areas of native vegetation (in some cases over 95% of areal extent) has resulted in 5–15% of rainfall leaking past the root zone over agricultural land. This has caused the changes in land and river salinity. Nevertheless native vegetation and re-vegetation has a most important role in salinity control. Maintenance of remnant native vegetation throughout the basin is a key target in order to conserve and maintain biodiversity and ecosystem services in conjunction with salinity control. The integration of native vegetation into landscape design is critical to halting further loss of species and ecosystem function. This should include wildlife too!
And the science indicates that there's no longer enough water in the rivers to keep the rivers alive.
Roy Hoskings, a rural supplier in the New South Wales Murrumbidgee region, says if the water allocation cuts of up to 45 per cent go ahead local produce such as carrots, onions, rockmelons and pumpkins will be affected.
Australia is already a net importer of food, and food exports need to be prioritized to provide for Australians first and foremost. Proposed drastic cuts to water allocations in the Murray-Darling Basin will hit farmers from Griffith to Narrabri and send supermarket prices soaring, industry experts said.
Economically, through exports of its wheat, wool and meat, it has underpinned Australia’s early economic development, although today its agricultural products represent only 2% of GDP and 4% of export earnings. Currently, over a third of the food for Australia’s own consumption is grown in the Basin.
We already are facing record high prices for water, power and housing. Now food prices will increase. Why then are we continuing to increase our population in face of more "shortages" - this time of food production?
Stop political manipulations
Investigations continue in crimes against rhinos
Wild life and people
Raising Imbeciles..
The Australian's suicidal plan for humanity
A recent article in favour of population growth is Rise of the Mega-cities And why they will save the human race by Doug Saunders. A brief note at the end of the article mentions that Doug Sanders is author of Arrival City: how the Largest Migration in History is Reshaping our World from which the article obviously derives much of its content. The article, itself, was two and a half pages in length including a page of photos . It also had a promotional page including a photo which comprised the front page of the Weekend Australian Magazine of 21-22 August 2010.
The fact that a major daily newspaper, the Australian can promote and print an article, which proposes such a clearly suicidal course for humanity as, instead, a solution to humankind's current predicament confirms that that this paper's continued ongoing influence gravely threatens our future.
In fact, Doug Saunders pretends to be in favour of global human population stability, but, mind you, only after humankind has continued to its conclusion what he claims is the current depopulation of rural areas by crowding ever more hundreds of millions into the world's cities. He insists that this will actually rescue billions now in grinding rural poverty by giving them access to more lucrative livelihoods, presumably in the factories of the larger cites.
He claims that it will actually be possible for the further industrialisation of farming that he argues must inevitably follow the depopulation of rural areas to make even more food available to feed not only the remaining residents of rural regions, but the billions of residents or the cities. In Saunders' words:
What about farming? Well, fewer than five per cent of Western populations are now employed in agriculture - sometimes as little as two per cent - and this is enough to produce more food, at low cost, than the their urban populations can consume. Now that the poor half of the world is once again experiencing food shortages, it is desperately important that this high-yield agriculture develop in the poor half of the world.
Of course, Saunders 'forgets' that "this high-yield agriculture" depends upon the availability of water and of energy stored in fossil fuel fertilisers. Australia and most regions of the world are running out of both the necessary water and the fossil fuels.
If Saunders is wrong, as he must surely be, then what ghastly fate awaits the hundreds of millions more crowded into cities a long way from the land, when the mechanised agricultural systems inevitably fail to produce anywhere near as much food as is needed by them? By comparison, the humanitarian disaster in which over a million inhabitants of the Soviet City of Leningrad died, mostly from starvation during its 900 day siege from 1941 until 1944 by the invading Germans, will look like a weekend picnic in comparison with what awaits the hundreds of millions crowded into the megacities of the future.
Living in non-urban areas the cause of poverty?
A lie that Saunders' thesis is based upon is that rural inhabitants can only possibly live in desperate poverty and only through urbanisation can they hope to achieve any kind of affluence.
He attempts to draw a distinction between 'rural' poverty on the one hand and 'urban' poverty on the othee, claiming the latter to be far more benign:
Urban poverty may force a mother to send her child onto the street to sell her goods; rural poverty will cause that child to die of starvation.
Why people, living in urban areas, have a guaranteed protection from starvation is not explained.
In reality, rural settlements, controlled from the grassroots up, have given much of humanity both good standards of living and a strong sense of community throughout most of our history. The desperately poor rural communities that Saunders holds up as the fate which must await anyone who does not live in a modern crowded suburbia is only the by-product of the form of industrialisation which has been imposed upon much of the world by Britain since the 18th century.
Open borders provoke global overpopulation
Nationalism good and bad
An excerpt from "The Culture of Xenophilia" at http://candobetter.org/node/369
In the last century and a half another bold challenge was mounted to re-order our natural affinities. Christian universalism and the rootless cosmopolitanism that was world Jewry found a rival in Marxism. In 1848 Karl Marx told the workers of the world to unite. Incredibly that call is still heard today, albeit among sometimes obscure factions. The Socialist Party of Tampa Bay declared in its 2007 platform, “working people have no country, but rather an international bond based on class.” A canvass of similar groups across Anglo-America would not necessarily reveal such blatant indifference to national interests, but nevertheless take up open immigration and refugee positions and support blanket amnesty for illegal aliens.
Socialist writer Tom Lewis explains “Socialists are internationalists. Whereas nationalists believe that the world is divided primarily into different nationalities, socialists consider class to be the primary divide. For socialists, class struggle---not national identity—is the motor of history. And capitalism creates an international working class that must fight back against an international capitalist class.”
What is critical to the understanding of the Marxist attitude to nationalism is that it takes an entirely pragmatic approach. Marx drew a distinction between good and bad nationalism. “The nationalism of the workers belonging to an oppressor nation binds them to their rulers and only does harm to themselves, while the nationalism of an oppressed nation can lead them to fight back against these rulers.” Thus Marx favoured Irish nationalism, but not English. He opposed the national movements of the Southern Slavs, but supported the Indian rebellion against the British. Lenin warned that “workers who place political unity with their ‘own’ bourgeoisie above the complete unity of the proletariat of all the nations, are acting against their own interests.” To do so, to fall victim to nationalist affections, was to evidence “false consciousness”, an inability to recognize those interests, interpreted of course by party cadres.
Australian political scientist Frank Salter had this to say about the socialist attitude to nationalism. “The Left, as it has evolved over the course of the previous century, looks down on the ordinary people with their inarticulate parochialisms as if they were members of another species…since they care nothing for the preservation of national communities. Ethnies are considered irrelevant to the welfare of people in general. It would be understandable to Martians to be so detached from particular loyalties. But it is disturbing to humans doing so, especially humans who identify with the Left.”
Such is the European Left’s identification with the Other at the expense of the resident national that, in the name of anti-racism, it was possible for left-wing novelist Umberto Eco to declare his hope that Europe would be swamped by Africans and third world emigrants just so to “demoralize” racists. And such is the identification of the AFL-CIO with 13 million illegal immigrants as potential recruits that it supports amnesty and essentially a corporate welfare program that reduces wages for the lowest of American workers. A scheme which advocates call “liberalism” but American workers call an invasion. The Canadian Labour Congress (Edgar Bergen) and its social-democratic parliamentary arm, the NDP (Charlie McCarthy), sing the same tune. Crocodile tears are shed for “undocumented” workers who allegedly make great contributions to the economy, according to their hire-a-left-wing-think-tank. But Statistics Canada’s conclusions are the same as those of Dr. Borjias are for American workers. The British Trade Union Congress tried to put one over on the public with a September 2007 report cooked up by the left-wing Institute for Public Policy Research that maintained that amnesty for illegal immigrants would net the Treasury 1 billion pounds annually. More careful analysis revealed that amnesty would cost British taxpayers up to 1.8 billion pounds a year.
This Marxist legacy of international solidarity to the disavowal of national loyalties persists to the present sometimes in unalloyed form but more often as one strand in a synthesis of muddled xenophilia with Christian and environmental thought. The latter mutation is expressed in the Canadian argument that since global warming is a global problem requiring global cooperation, to obtain this cooperation we must not send out unfriendly messages of “fear” by closing our borders, but drop them instead. Presumably a radically downward adjustment in consumption habits and greener technology will compensate for all the extra millions who would swarm in. Instead of “workers of the world unite” the Greens offer us a new rallying cry: “More and more people, consuming less and less.”
But just as Christian thought is not monolithic, neither is social democratic thought. Arguably the most famous and independent socialist intellectual of the English speaking world, George Orwell, once remarked that “in all countries, the poor are more national than the rich.” Bukharin was wrong. For the working class, national identity was just as important as class identity. And now finally, after their constituents have been battered by one of the greatest migratory waves in history, that saw the United States for example import the equivalent of three New Jerseys in the 1990s alone (25 million people), maverick social-democratic and socialist leaders in the tradition of Victor Berger, or Jack London or Canada’s J. S. Woodsworth are staking out a claim for national, as opposed to international, solidarity.
The Democratic Socialist Senator of Vermont, Bernie Sanders, has begun to make some noise about the disaster that is the illegal immigration invasion in the United States. His voting record in reducing chain migration, fighting amnesty and unnecessary visas rates B-, B- and A+ respectively from Americans for Better Immigration. Former Social Democratic Chancellor Helmut Schmidt now admits that immigration under his administration was excessive and damaging to Germany. In a book published in 1982 he confessed that “with idealistic intentions, born out of our experiences with the Third Reich, we brought in far too many foreigners.” Dutch Socialist leader Jan Marijnissen is strongly opposed to the practice of importing East European workers to undermine the position of Dutch workers. East Europeans are hired as “independent contractors” to circumvent labour law. Marijnissen wrote “It is unacceptable that employers pay foreign workers 3 euros per hour and have them live in chicken coops as if they were in competition in the 19th century of Dickens. The unfair competition and displacement of Dutch workers and small business is intolerable. Therefore we shouldn’t open the borders further, but set limits instead.”
Former Labor Premier of New South Wales, Bob Carr, also argued for the acknowledgement of limits. Along with fellow Labor MP Barry Cohen he has joined Australia’s leading environmentalists Dr. Tim Flannery and Dr. Ian Lowe in exposing the myth of Australia as being a big empty land begging to filled up with people. “Our rivers, our soils, our vegetation, won’t allow that to happen without enormous cost to us and those who follow us.” He calls for severe immigration cut-backs and a population policy.
In 1970 I signed and supported the notorious "Waffle Manifesto" which urged that the NDP---Canada's social democratic party---return to its socialist roots with a commitment to reclaim our economy and culture from the American Empire and reject further integration into the global economy. Trotskyists and right wing commentators made common cause by accusing us of "nationalism", which to their minds conjured up sordid images of death camps and wars of aggression. Leading socialist economist and expatriate American Mel Watkins --a key force behind the Manifesto--- retorted with a famous response that became our rallying cry: "The road of Canadian nationalism does not lead to Auschwitz. It only leads away from Washington." Amen.
Jan Beer to Stand as an Independent, Seymour electorate
Growthist lobbyists like CIS and FECCA propagate self-interest
Australia's 2.1% population growth rate, mainly fueled by immigration and their babies, by 2050 will cumulatively reach 50 million, not the 30 million being deliberately under-estimated by growthists. Do the Future Value calculation using compound interest.
Those that argue for or are defeatist about Australia having an over-run population have vested interests in the self-centred gains they will reap from a Rudd (congested) Australia.1
Government gets the short term economic growth results from the increased demand, but deliberately ignores the social impacts and the long term economic problems. Developers and the construction industry benefit from getting more sales and profit from land use development from more people demanding more housing. Banks benefit by selling more mortgages to more people. Miners and big business get cheap labour since importing skilled labour is a quick and money saving way to populate its workforce. Skilled immigration saves corporations millions by avoiding the training of its own workforce and local Australians. That skilled immigration means displacing local Australians is not a concern to such corporations. Immigrants benefit by gaining a better life in Australia than from where the came.
The consistent driver of all these growthists is self-interest, not the selfless betterment of Australia and Australians.
Beware of the inherent bias of organisations reporting statistics to suit their own ends. The euphemistically labelled Centre for Independent Studies (CIS), is a right wing lobby group set up and funded by big business (mining companies and banks) to further the growthist aims of big business.
CIS is about as independent as the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Peoples Democratic Republic of (North) Korea are democratic. It should be renamed 'Growth is Good'.
It is important to be mindful of the counter sustainabililty arguments being put by the growthists. Pro-growth, pro-immigration lobby group FECCA, is an acronym for Federation of Ethnic Communities’ Councils of Australia. In its June 2010 issue of FECCA's 'Australian Mosaic' magazine, FECCA rejects the following concerns:
FECCA rejects the claim 'Our cities are unable to sustain population increases'
FECCA argues: "A number of key academics refute this proposition, arguing
that our cities can sustain more people without increasing the strain on infrastructure and the environment. However, effective planning and urban consolidation and a focus on rural and regional development are certainly needed to enable this expansion."
FECCA rejects the claim: 'We will lose the ‘Australian way of life’ if immigration increases'
FECCA argues: "This argument can be dismissed by referring to Australia’s growth over the last 60 years – during which time we had a 300% increase in population from 7 million to 22 million. Very few would argue that our way of life is now poorer or less ‘Australian’ than it was in 1945."
FECCA rejects the claim: 'Our environment cannot sustain a growing population'
FECCA argues: "It is necessary to recognise that the world’s population
exists regardless of how many people are in Australia. What is most important is the environmental behaviour of all Australians. Taking steps to reduce our environmental footprint is the key to allowing for our necessary economic growth. As it happens, in many instances immigrants are better prepared to demonstrate good environmental behaviour, having past experience in saving resources in harsh environmental or economic climates."
Message: know thy enemy
Footnotes
1.[back] Editorial comment: In fact, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was replaced some months ago by his deputy Julia Gillard. Whilst candobetter is far from uncritical of Prime Minister Julia Gillard, the fact that she acted against Kevin Rudd's appalling misrule that benefitted, most of all, Australia's wealthiest, and was subsequently re-elected as Prime Minister, in the face of hostility to her from the corporate sector and its newsmedia, is a rare triumph for democracy and accountability. Gillard explicitly rejected Rudd's "Big Australia" plans to boost Australia's population. For that she and her Government is now under intense pressure by Australia's business interests to reverse her stance.
Don't get any ideas about a sustainable population...
NZ possuming reflects insularity
Dawie Groenewald and rhino-killing team
YouTube of How Immigration Can't Solve Third World Poverty
This YouTube Broadcast, "Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - Updated 2010" graphically illustrates my point that immigration, unless at a rate vastly higher than even its strongest proponents are prepared to publicly argue for, will do nothing for 99.9% of the Third World's impoverished. Although high immigration cannot hope to help the poor of these countries, it will almost certainly impoverish the poorest in countries like the Australia and the US and cause incalculable environmental harm.
As Roy Beck says, the only way we can hope to help all, or, indeed, even a substantial proportion of the world's poor is to help them where they live.
Isaac Deutscher confirms pure Marxist Internationalism a myth
What credible Government could not be labelled 'nationalist'?
Opposition to high immigration is equated by Eugene with 'nationalism', as if to label anything as 'nationalistic' automatically discredits it. This is often a tactic of the left.
From such logic, it would follow that were ordinary Australians to achieve the control over their standard of living and quality of life (which they now don't have) a terrible risk would arise. It is as if Eugene were suggesting that, in the longer term, there would be similar consequences to infamous variants of 'nationalism' when millions died, such as in German Nazism, Stalin's Russia, Pol Pot's Cambodia, the Rwandan genocide of the 1990's, and the First World War.
It would be interesting if Eugene could provide us with a single example of a credible government at any time in history that could not have been accused of being tainted with the supposedly evil trait of nationalism. Contrary to mainstream leftist mythology, which holds early communist examples as pure and genuine, even the early Bolshevik government from 1917 until 1923 implemented programs based on narrow nationalism on more than one occasion.
The first example was the Brest-Litovsk treaty of 1918 in which the Bolshevik Government ceded vast quantities of territory formerly controlled by Tsarist Russia to Germany. The territory included almost all of the Ukraine and the three Baltic States of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Because the leaders of the Bolshevik Party of Russia and of the Tsar's former Asian colonies allowed the Germans to brutalise the people of these countries, the Germans signed a peace deal with the Bolsheviks, thus permitting them to go on ruling. The Germans were thus able to avoid fighting a war against their former Russian enemies in the East. This freed them to almost win their war in the West against Britain, the British Commonwealth, France and the United States in its military offensive in 1918.
A second example was when the Red Army entered Polish Territory in 1920. Then too, the Soviet Union appealed to Russian nationalism. It even sought, and obtained, the help of the Russian Orthodox Church. Politically this led to the counter-ignition of Polish nationalism and the military defeat of the invading Russian Red Army by the Polish Armies led by right-wing Marshall Pilsudski.
So, if the early Russian 'Communist' government could not be held to be untainted by nationalism, who could be?
At least nationalism is one means by which a community can assert its own rights, as long as the leaders of that nation are committed to the welfare of all members of that community and not just to a wealthy elite. Without nationalism, the rights of the poorest of the national community are sold out to wealthy foreigners as they were in Vichy France, Holland, and Norway after 1940 or in Japanese-occupied Korea. How much better have recent 'non-nationalist' Australian governments been, where they have allowed land and strategic assets to be sold off to powerful foreign investors? By the way, a new sell-out looms now in the contemplation of a Chinese [nationalistic] government built new power station in Victoria's Latrobe Valley. How different were the actions of those puppet regimes from past history?
"Lonely"singles on the rise as the nuclear family is on the wane