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A rapid increase in lone person households will result in 1.7M more Australians living by themselves in 20 years, the Australian Bureau of Statistics has projected. Couples without children are set to overtake the nuclear family as the most common family household within three years. As the number of households reaches 11.8 million in 2031, lone person households will surge by 91%. Couples with children are the dominant family household now but by 2031, if trends are maintained, they will drop to 2.5 million as the number of couples living without children rises to 3.8 million. ''Mum, dad and the kids are down to one household in five. Over 50 years the shift has been quite profound,'' said KPMG demographer Bernard Salt. The rise in single-person households was being driven by an ageing population, said Mr Salt. ''These are not young, sexy singles, but sad, lonely old baby boomers. The widowed, separated and divorced.'' Mr Salt said he doubts whether Australian cities are ''ready for an army of single old people living in suburbia disconnected from the community''. Social isolation and depression issues would need to be tackled, as would Australia's focus on the quarter-acre block. However, the forecast might not be borne out. The fertility rate in Australia has recently leapt again and now stands at 1.9 per cent, which was relatively high. A steady decline in marriage, an increase in cohabitation and ''spectacular'' increases in divorce rates since the 1960s had created a much larger pool of single people with more fluid living arrangements. Living alone was often short term, as people transitioned between relationships or left marriages. ''Financially, people are more able to live alone than in the past. Community attitudes have changed. Rapidly changing social expectations are starkly seen in the living arrangements of 25 to 29-year-olds. In 1991, a third (34 per cent) of this age group lived as a couple with children, but this is set to fall to 7 per cent by 2031. And the bureau predicts almost a third of 25 to 29-year-olds will still be living with their parents by 2031. The decline in women under 30 having children contributed to this age group staying longer in the parental home. Leaving home is not just a one-off any more. If their job doesn't work out, or relationship doesn't work out, they go home again. The ABS projections assume that the rate of change the bureau observed in household types between 1991 and 2006 continues. Research has also shown more young Australians were interested in marriage again. The end of the traditional family is not in sight. In terms of people's attitudes, they still see marriage as the way to go. Source: APN Maybe the "lonely" singles aren't so sad or lonely. Maybe the rise of single households is also due to family homes, and families, being unaffordable. "Demographer" Bernard Salt seems to be tying to fulfill his own prophesies, for the convenience of the growthist who employ him. Owning land and a house is becoming out of reach for many people, a "dream" that has turned into a nightmare. Young people staying at home is becoming more common due to them being locked out of home ownership.

Subject was: "UN push for immigration to developed nations" United Nations projections indicate that over the next 50 years, the populations of virtually all countries of Europe as well as Japan will face population decline and population ageing. Their report on ageing populations considers replacement migration for eight low-fertility countries (France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation, United Kingdom and United States) and two regions (Europe and the European Union). They claim that "here can be no doubt that European societies need immigrants. Europeans are living longer and having fewer children. Without immigration, the population of the soon-to-be twenty-five Member States of the EU will drop, from about 450 million now to under 400 million in 2050". In today’s unequal world, vast numbers of Asians and Africans lack the opportunities for self-improvement that most Europeans take for granted. It is not surprising that many of them see Europe as a land of opportunity, in which they long to begin a new life – just as the potential of the new world once attracted tens of millions of impoverished but enterprising Europeans. Managing migration is not only a matter of opening doors and joining hands internationally - enforcing their "one world" agenda. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon this week warned Europe against a new ‘politics of polarization,’ discrimination and intolerance over immigration, with Muslim immigrants as primary targets, as he delivered major addresses before two of the continent’s leading bodies. He made an impassioned call for Europe to seize the "opportunities" (my emphasis) presented by immigration and to resist those who demonized these newcomers as ‘the other.’ So, nations that have become wealthy and are not over-populated and have people successfully living long lives are to avail themselves to the "opportunities" presented to them by allowing poorer nations to have access to their land, culture, social security benefits and housing etc. It is not "us" and "them" but a level, global playing field?

Turkish President Abdullah Gul accused European politicians and intellectuals of lacking vision about Turkey joining the European Union. Turkey last Wednesday demanded German support for its European Union membership. Germany, which has 3.5 million immigrants of Turkish origin, has until now argued for Turkey to be given a 'privileged partnership' with the EU. All opinion polls in France indicate that French citizens are in favour of a privileged partnership with Turkey, but against the country's EU accession. France and Germany have been vocal opponents of Turkey's ambition to join the 27-nation bloc and argue that the mainly Muslim country of about 73 million people should settle for a "privileged partnership" rather than full membership. European racism is the main reason why Turkey will not be accepted into the EU, says Noam Chomsky according to Turkish newspaper. Germany is one of the European countries which has had a “rightwing backlash against Muslim immigrants” and, “It is the background reason why Turkey is unlikely to be accepted into the EU, even if it meets all the human rights standards,” said Chomsky. Eight of 35 negotiation chapters remain completely frozen due to Turkey's refusal to open its ports to EU member Cyprus. The island has been divided between its Greek and Turkish communities since 1974, when Turkey invaded the north after a Greek Cypriot coup aimed at unifying the island with Greece. Many Europeans believe that if Turkey were to become an EU member state there would be large numbers of Turks immigrating to EU. Public opinion polls indicate that 72 percent of Germans do not want to see Turkey in the EU as a full member. The Americans want Turkey in the EU for their own selfish purposes, ie military bases. The American-backed Nabucco pipeline which brings in gas from the ex-soviet republics was designed with one aim in mind - to reduce Europe's reliance on Russia for gas supplies. Turkey can not continue to keep it's airspace closed for the Cypriot planes and its ports for the Cypriot boats if they want to join the EU.

Livestock and their irrigated crops are the largest squanders of water. According to ABS, in 2005-06, the agricultural commodities that used the most water in the MDB were dairy farming. In 2005-06, the dairy industry accounted for 39% of the total irrigated area of pasture in the MDB. The rice and cotton crops may be big users, but not as extensive as the dairy industry. Much of the products are exported. The dairy and livestock industries are vastly inefficient, consuming precious water, damaging the environment, and causing immense pain, suffering and death to countless innocent cows and dairy "by-products" - nearly one million bobby calves slaughtered each year! Settlers here imported their diets and livestock to emulate their their fore-bearers, and we are still on the same unsustainable track today. It has been said that changing diets is harder than changing religions. Our insistence on flavors, traditions, habits all goes beyond logic!

It is indeed problematic for a reforming organisation to give any air to these professional growth lobbyists. Unfortunately that is often the only way the feel that they may get coverage by the mainstream press, which only wants to cover elite opinions. (This is why we have candobetter.org which looks at the actions of the elites and invites anyone with an opinion of value to contribute.) I am somewhat consoled however by the fact that Kelvin Thomson will be debating one of their representatives, plus by Mary Drost's presence on the panel. This should make the forum a worthwhile and interesting event. I do sincerely hope also that this forum will not follow the usual poor lines of most forums where people who often know more than the panel and the speakers (as many in the audience will) and have more to contribute, are restricted to asking questions, rather than making statements. I would like to see people in the audience given time to stand up and give their views as well.

Residents and citizens should decide the fates and direction of their cities. Growth should not be accepted as inevitable, and it isn't. We want good designs and liveable cities made for people, not grown for the sake of growth. The Melbourne@5 million should not be assumed, and should be rejected as being politically decided for us, with community "consultation" to give the ticks! We are not Vancouver, under the heavy weight of uncontrolled immigration. The IPCC confirms that "the combined effect of increasingly severe climatic events and underlying socio-economic trends (such as population growth and unplanned urbanisation) have the potential to undermine the value of business assets, diminish investment viability and stress insurers, re-insurers, and banks to the point of impaired profitability and even insolvency". We should be down-scaling in light of climate change threats. We should be preserving the size, but increasing the quality, of our cities. The Committee of Melbourne is a private organisation with business and financial interests a "big Australia" and "big Victoria"! Their own "study" argues that we may need more desalination plants out west, paid for by the public, plus a sewerage recycling plant to produce drinking water. This is to cater for their "predicated"- or desirable - surge of population to 8 million people in Melbourne by 2060. Water will become an expensive luxury! They have hopped onto the pseudo-environmentalism bandwagon by advising us to give serious consideration to building nuclear power stations in Victoria within decade, to cope with power demands and slash greenhouse gas emissions. The biggest problem with nuclear power is the lack of a long term viable solution to storing the waste safely. Some types of nuclear waste may be take decades to break down, but high level waste will take thousands of years. Where and how would it be stored, and the risks alleviated? Where do they expect to store it? They would all become "nimbys" themselves! Anthropogenic climate change impacts would be better reduced by stabilising our population numbers and switching to renewable energy sources. The Committee of Melbourne is not in the position to make newsworthy or objective "reports"! They are merely promoting their own self-serving interests in growth.

Hello I am glad I found your website. Before I dont recognise the society I am living in the next 10 years you should read the UK Guardian to see how the government is slashing education, police and welfare, are they trying to make UK society a basketcase in a week. Do our politicians have the same idea here ? Have you seen the French

The Australian reports, "JULIA Gillard has dismissed as "stupid and wrong" a senior union official's belief that the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy but has refused to discipline him. Kevin Bracken, the Victorian secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia and Victorian Trades Hall Council president, today renewed his call for a fresh inquiry into the 9/11 attacks, claiming the "official story doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny”." Amazing, isn't it? The Australian, the rag that promulgates unscientific nonsense about population and economics on a daily basis, suggests here that the Primeminister should 'discipline' a union official for expressing his point of view on an issue that just won't go away. What next, a horsewhipping for someone who says that economic rationalism is bulldust? And where does Gillard get off saying that what apparently 45.4 % of people answering a Herald Sun poll believe, is stupid nonsense? Ditto, who is Jon Faine, except a gatekeeper for official ideologies, to dismiss a fair comment about aviation fuel and 9/11 as too silly to debate. All I know is that there has never been a proper investigation of 9/11. So how come lawyers Jon Faine and Julia Gillard, defend that? Good on a unionist for standing up and saying that after 19 years we should get out of Afghanistan or find a better excuse than 9/11 and the so-called terrorists.

The government is euphoric on mass immigration and growth because they want to destroy the Australian culture. Exactly the same has happened in the UK...Its so clear to see surely..

Why the anti immigration stigma? [Bandicoot, 20th October 2010, above comment]. Locals resenting overwhelming numbers of immigrants at times when locals are suffering is nothing about stigma or 'right wing', or 'left wing' or 'centre wing' or no bloody wing. It is about self-preservation and local birth rights. The particular country concerned is irrelevant. Immigrants find this cultural concept hard to comprehend, because they have a different sense of right having been 'officially' accepted as an immigrant. Problem is that what government endorses is not consistent with what the local people endorse - this is a global problem! Well, asylum seekers and humanitarianism aside, and a few carefully placed economic migrants from mixed origins are fine so long as they are supported in assimilating/integrating into the Australian community. But massive hoards of economic immigrants causing abrupt demand on local resources, imposing their culture, religion, language, displacing the local inhabitants - try doing that in any overseas country and see how far you would get! Massive immigration is like gate crashing - it is non-military foreigner invasion. When immigrants to any country ring fence themselves into a cluster and reject local integration, this is foreign intervention in local affairs. How can this benefit the local inhabitants? Sweden has been too tolerant for too long and the locals are biting back. I support any Geert Wilders equivalent from any nation prepared to stand up for the right of his people - be it Indians standing up for Indian rights in India, or Chinese standing up for Chinese rights in China, or Palestinians standing up for Palestinian rights in Palestine, or indeed Australians standing up for Australian rights in Australia. If I were to immigrate to Saudi Arabia, I would have to be prepared to abide by Saudi customs, laws and renounce my own where they contradict those in Saudi Arabia - else I would quickly end up in gaol. Like bio-security, local culture is an issue of human cultural security.

The far-right Sweden Democrats party in Sweden seeking a 90 percent reduction in immigration won seats in Parliament for the first time, denying the ruling center-right coalition a majority and raising questions about anti-Muslim sentiment in the country. They won 20 out of 349 seats in the country's legislative body in their general election. The party wants radical curbs on immigration in Sweden, where 14 percent of the country's 9.4 million population are non-Swedes. The centre-right coalition aspiring to lead the Netherlands plans to use "unprecedented measures" to curtail the immigration of non-Western foreigners by up to 50 per cent, far- right politician Geert Wilders said Thursday in The Hague. A ban on the Islamic all-body veil, or burqa, in public buildings is also among the goals of the anti-Islam People's Party for Freedom. Geert Wilders has relentlessly pursued an anti-immigration line, asserting among other things that the cost of integrating the inflow of non-Western immigrants is a drain on the country's resources at a time of economic hardship. Nativism has become a general term for 'opposition to immigration' based on "fears that the immigrants will distort or spoil existing cultural values". This may be expressed through criticism of multiculturalism. Senator Nick Xenophon said he understood why voters in the western parts of Sydney and Brisbane may be concerned about the lifestyle implications of immigration, but he argued the problems of traffic congestion, limited housing and inadequate services were in fact the result of neglect by state and federal governments. (Actually more like lack of funds and population growth doesn't pay for itself.) He condemned Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott being willing to trash Australia's reputation for years with their "anti-immigration rhetoric". Why is there such as stigma about limiting, or stopping, immigration? Surely when our numbers are threatening our nation's social justice, living standards, finances and environmental integrity, it is quite justified to question just how many people we as a nation can comfortably support now, and for future generations? Other nations have a stringent immigration program, such as Israel and Japan. However, Sweden has been a member of the European Union since 1995, and as a EU member can not close its borders to immigrants from any other members of the EU. Japan and China prohibit immigration of black people. Muslim countries prohibit immigration of non-Muslims and South America prohibits Muslims. On the other hand, Western countries have opened their borders to everyone, including jihadists who claim to be refugees, or get-through by fake marriages. Japan takes few refugees and they don't have mass migration, but at the same time are considered irreproachable, yet westerners who question their immigration levels are treated as pariahs!

Allegations that a kangaroo or wallaby has died after being given drink at a birthday disco in Ireland are being investigated by Irish police. The marsupial was let loose among more than 150 revellers dancing at the Clarion Hotel in Liffey Valley, west Dublin, to the theme tune of Australian television show Skippy The Bush Kangaroo. The creature was believed to have been hired for the prank, which has outraged animal welfare campaigners. After the party, the animal died. An allegation that it was given alcohol is not supported by evidence at this stage. Without knowledge of our native animals, it could have easily have died from stress - myopathy! Kangaroos and wallabies should not be trusted to overseas buyers. Wallabies are classified as "exotic" animals in Ireland so there is no legislation on their breeding or ownership. Surely, the fact that they are "exotic", means that they should be regulated?

This is great. I felt despondent today at a climate change environment forum at Melbourne University when no-one expressed any concern or curiosity at all regarding the fate of animals or even mass extinction.

Its a good article and informative. AAFNS are doing great job for environment. And the formation of AAFNS allow us to influence the future of Australia's unique flora and fauna. "Australia fauna include monotremes, marsupials and many, such as koalas, kangaroos, doiwombats, and birds such as emus, cockatoos and Kookaburra. Although most of Australia is semi arid or desert, which covers a wide range of habitats, from alpine heaths to tropical forests

19th October 2010 Today’s historic Tasmanian forest agreement shows the way that eastern Victoria’s long-running logging conflict can be solved. One of the country’s most battle-worn states has seen the logging industry, Gunns and conservation groups agree to settle the conflict in a way that will benefit everyone. “This is a courageous move by the Tasmanian industry, responding to both market demands and public opinion. It is securing a conflict free future for workers, industry and government” said Jill Redwood from Environment East Gippsland. “This is the path down which Mr Brumby should now follow and help get similar negotiations going in eastern Victoria.” “In Victoria’s west, plantations are now supplying millions of tonnes of woodchips a year. The majority of Gippsland’s forests are going into the woodchip market. The answer is clear.” “Plantation products dominate the sawn-timber market with only about 2% of native forest sawn timber being for products that can’t be substituted with pine or other products” said Ms Redwood. “These high quality feature grade timbers could still be taken from our forests at a much more sustainable rate and method than landscape clearfelling that has created so much conflict.” “There are 4 million tonnes of woodchips being produced from western Victoria now. The companies are so desperate for workers, they are even employing people from overseas.” “In East Gippsland, the overcutting of the past 30 years has almost come to a brick wall. The shortage of forests to log is forcing the Brumby government to move loggers into highly contentious areas like old growth and designated Protection Zones for rare wildlife. This is provoking more conflict. Here is a solution we should copy that will be a win-win for all”. For comment: Jill Redwood 5154 0145

German Chancellor Angela Merkel claims that multiculturalism in Germany has failed completely and implied that the onus of integration is now on those immigrants coming to the country. Naming “the demand for integration” as one of the Christian Democratic Union party's “main tasks” for the future, she emphasized learning to speak German as a priority for incoming immigrants. Merkel’s comments are likely to add momentum to a growing wave of nationalism that seems to be spreading across Europe. She has been accused of “courting” the country’s growing anti-immigration – largely anti-Muslim – sentiment. She has always tempered her remarks with calls for tolerance. Merkel seemed to have taken a strong tack to the right, devoid of the usual niceties. Western and Muslim culture will not mix peacefully, Dr Udo Ulfkotte, a German journalist told RT. “We have a clash not only of civilizations and religions, we have also a clash of ideologies.” Surely it is reasonable to ask immigrants to adapt, learn the new language and integrate? Ideologies are fine in theory, but people like to conform to their cultures and identities, and mix with their own kind. The country’s unemployment rate will drop to 7 percent in 2011 from 7.7 percent this year, the institutes said. At the same time the German government wants to tackle a growing shortage of skilled workers by tapping a pool of foreigners unable to practise their professions because their credentials are not recognised, a minister said. Why not improve educational opportunities within their own country? Sounds like Australia's "skills shortages" where employers only want to pay what they want for the already skilled from overseas.

John, This observation is mostly spot on. However, it seems to have the unintended consequence of confusing the relatively powerless who have been largely duped by the propaganda of the 'growth' pushers with the 'growth' pushers themselves. Consumers, not just corporate executives, who believe that they are wealthier, because they can renew their cars every few years, haven't grasped the objective fact that they are materially no better off than if than if they drove cars that were built to last decades and were maintainable and had standardised long-lasting parts. As vehicles built early last century can still be run by skilled mechanics I see no reason why a car can't be built to last well over a hundred years instead of just 5 years if the technical knowledge available were properly applied. No doubt this would have affected the 'profitability' of many of the companies operating under today's seriously flawed business model, but as a society, we would be far wealthier by having avoided so much destruction of our natural capital. I believe that the reason that we have not made the changes as a society that would have allowed us to have the benefit of modern technology without the cost having been anywhere near as great to our environment is that it suits the greed of the minority of 'growth' pushers that manufacture has been made so wasteful of natural resources and human labour. The "excess consumerism per capita" is of no objective benefit to the vast majority of society and certainly not to their descendents. Of even less benefit is the human overpopulation being imposed upon us by the elites in order that they can satisfy their rapacious greed through the consequent 'growth'. I think this is an argument we can win before the majority of society if we show determination and clear thinking.

'Economic Growth' is someone wanting more. It is not the noble essential desire of providing for one's family. It is a selfish greed that seeks far more, reaps more and profits more in order to acquire excess assets and typically at triple bottom line expense - i.e. short changing those providing the labour (society) and exploiting the natural environment below its replaceable value. Growth has become an addiction that feeds consumerism. It is not just human overpopulation that is driving socio-ecological destruction, but human overpopulation coupled with excess consumerism per capita are accelerating the destructive drive. Economic growth is 'economic lust' - it is a behavioural addiction blinded by self-centred gratification. The corporate culture of renewing company cars every two or three years is the epitome of economic lust.

From: Julianne Bell Secretary, Protectors of Public Lands Victoria Inc Event: "The Great Essendon Planning Debate" Meet Candidates for the State Seat of Essendon including current Planning Minister Justin Madden. (It is not known then if he will attend but irrespective of this we must be there.) Time: 2 pm to 4 pm Date: Saturday 6 November 2010 Where: The Ukrainian Hall, 3 - 11 Russell Street Essendon. (Opposite the Essendon Railway Station and off Mt Alexander Road and Buckley Street.) Transport: Melways Map 28 G4. Tram No 59. Rail Craigieburn Line. Parking - Not known, presumably in surrounding streets.

For some time now I have made a point of placing the term 'growth', as referred to by establishment economists, inside inverted commas, in order to make the point that what they claim to be 'growth' is nothing of the sort. 'Growth' is quantified by economists by fictitious measures such as the Gross Domestic Product (GDP). The GDP fails to measure the true increase in the costs of living, the increases in the cost of housing, the necessity added in recent decades of more than one car being required per family, and hidden increases in charges for government and corporate services being the most blatant examples. So it can't possibly be used as a true measure of changes to the quality of life of people. Even if we were to adopt a far less fraudulent measure than the GDP, the amount of actual growth of the human global economy that such a meaure would indicate, could not anywhere near match the destruction in natural capital that it necessitates. Even if it were possible, using such a more honest measure, to claim that the quality of life were improving for humans on average (which I very much doubt) if that improvement is only gained as a result of the destruction of natural capital -- biodiversity, fossil fuel, fertile soil, metal ores, etc., then it cannot be honestly called termed 'growth'.

Corporate newsmedia could not possibly be nearly as effective as it is in misleading public opinion, if it were not for the lameness of most supposedly critical alternative viewpoints. The lack of contrast between the so-called 'alternative media' views and those promulgated by the mainstream press means that normally critical-minded people are not able to see the corporate media to be as malevolent as it is. In the past many alternative left-wing groups challenged vested interests far more effectively than they do today. Today the alternative media, without any exception that I can bring to mind, are so lame that it is hard to not wonder if they have been deliberately made so by people in control of them. The language style of the 'alternative media' seems to convey anger and indignation at injustice. Since they never offer practical solutions for ordinary people, however, the only people they can hope to influence are those small minorities on the 'far-left'. The 'far-left', even where it appears to genuinely believe in its own stated goals, acts as if it is resigned to remaining marginal and unable to positively influence the course of events and quality of life of all but a few token representatives of the most marginalised, such as 'boat people' asylum seekers, for instance. This is not said to detract from the cause of asylum seekers, but to point out how inneffectual the far-left seems to prefer to remain in almost every other cause. It would be a mistake to quietly accept censorship by corporate or government newsmedia. I agree that most letter-writing to newspapers is a waste of time, considering the amount of work and number of efforts required to crack publication. With regard to corporate newsmedia's electronic blogs including spaces made available for critical feedback, in some of these cases, publication is near to guaranteed. Where publication is likely, I see no reason not to use them. There is however every reason to send the same comments to candobetter as well. If the corporate newsmedia also publishes them, then the message, insofar as it counterbalances corporate disinformation, will have been even more effectively made. If not, then at least readers of candobetter will be able to appreciate candobetter's value even more. Whatever, we must not allow the corporate media to quietly get away with censoring critical opinion in their publications, when they choose to do so (as the ABC now openly seems to). Where the corporate and public media are shown to be afraid to allow critical opinions to be published, then many of the public will most likely ask themselves why they fear critical views but sites like candobetter do not.

According to CSIRO scientist Peter Carberry, lack of fertilizers and population growth, combined with climate change, will challenge our agriculture industry like never before. He says we are facing an agricultural revolution similar to the Green Revolution that followed World War II. However, as Ferry and Gatehouse reported in their 2009 analysis of the impact of genetically modified crops, this came at a price, required substantial inputs of fertilisers and pesticides and gave rise to the widespread use of monoculture as an agricultural system. The industrialisation of our food supply means that our current production is extremely oil intensive. It has been calculated that, on average, it takes ten calories of fossil fuels to produce one calorie of food in our current setup. Carberry says population growth and increased wealth in countries such as China and India mean there are new and increased demands for food. Supply issues such as land degradation and the growth of biofuels will also play a role. Up to half the planet may face regular drought by the end of the century. “Unnatural disasters”— storms, floods, droughts, and sea- level rise— are predicted to become more frequent and intense, with adventitious impacts on food security, refugee waves, and conflict. The stockpile of wheat has dropped to its lowest level since 1980 - sufficient to feed the world for just 12 weeks. Food prices are soaring worldwide, while crude oil prices have doubled shipping and fertiliser costs. The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) estimates that by 2050, grain output has to rise 50% and meat output has to double. Food Production is now the last bastion of predominantly local ownership in the food chain. But with increasing interest by foreign companies - and governments, including China's - quality farmland is also a target. In short, Australians are in danger of becoming servants, not masters, of their own food resources. Wealthy Asian countries "are seeking to acquire land as part of a long-term strategy for food security". (SMH report) Considering that a large part of our population actually came here to escape starvation during the Irish Potato famine, engineered in part by the British owners of Irish agriculture, then perhaps this is an opportunity to revisit the entire issue of foreign ownership and to re-examine what we mean by independence and what sort of country we wish to be. How are we planning for the supply of healthy and affordable food needed for an increasing population, while at the same time reducing greenhouse gas emissions and making the most of our diminishing supply of water? Allocating prime food production land to housing construction illustrates the lack of public consultation and arrogance in the politicians and developers. The demise of the Murray Darling food bowl do wo overallocation, salination of soils, depletion of fertilizers, population blowout, and foreigners prowling the planet for land for their own food security, it is too much a vital issue to be in the hand of our incompetent politicians whose mindsets are totally immersed in short-term economic benefits rather than long term strategies to secure our future. Why are we still increasing our population? Emphasis added. - Editor

John, are you trying to make me go out of business? You keep writing stuff that I agree with, on several fronts. Keep it up. Tim

Up to 80 funerals take place here every day, and demand for plots is so high most people can only afford to rent tombs. If your relatives fail to keep up the payments, another body will take your place. Land is precious in Manila, and people are prepared to endure incredible circumstances to claim their own piece. The world is facing an overpopulation crisis. In 40 years time, if current growth rates continue, the number of people on the planet will be almost one and a half times what it is today, rising from 6.8 billion to 9.2 billion by 2050. As population increases, so does competition for basic resources – land, food, water and fuel – as well as the threat of environmental devastation and endemic disease. Our numbers are going to be unsustainable within a few years. Manila's crisis is what we should expect world-wide! What we are facing now a plague of humans! Manila: a Warning against overpopulation

We are being viewed as a global resource rather than a sovereign nation. Australia now is barely a nation at all! Our farmland and food production companies are being freely sold to overseas investors. Fewer and fewer people participate in their communities, especially in our cities, where a suburb is a place to stay until you've paid off enough of your house to move to somewhere better. We have more and more diversity, to the extent that we can no longer be sure what the values of our neighbours are. Our culture of "multicultural" means that we really have no mainstream unified culture, or consensus, at all! Those who come here to live also view us as a resource to improve their status and personal wealth. A place to escape to in times of trouble, or a place to make money before eventually returning home. Citizenship is given away cheaply. It's just another thing to buy. There's little sense that Australia is a nation, a group of unified peoples working together. On the contrary, Chinese economic expansion is driven by Chinese nationalism. Many of their state-owned businesses are successful. Their successes are sources of pride in being Chinese, being a primarily homogeneous people. The same can be said of Indians. No wonder people think Australians are lazy, that the West is doomed, and that we ought to allow them to buy everything because we are not competent to manage it ourselves. We ostensibly don't have enough "skills" or drive to work hard create a successful nation. Our leaders are some of the most uninspiring people in the world. By the time what is left of what used to be Australia wakes up our of their slumber and stupor, they will not form a big enough chunk of the electorate to make a change! We will be consumed into part of the "globe" or SE Asia - as a non-entity!

Planning Backlash is holding a major event, a Public Forum on Planning and Population in Melbourne at the Richmond Town Hall on the 7th November, Sunday at 4pm Speakers: Andrew Macleod, CEO Committee for Melbourne Kelvin Thomson, Federal MP for Coburg Panel will include: Rupert Mann, Heritage Action Group Moderator: David Trenerry Planning Backlash thanks Collingwood Abbotsford Residents Association for their help. Source: Mary Drost

Forgot to add this..This is the so called green party that wants to flood our beautiful country with que jumping economic migrants, and the odd one or two genuine asylum seekers.. How long will it be before Australian economic migrants are queing to migrate to other countries for a better life as life for some here is becoming unbearable due to soaring costs. Why should Australians have to pay taxes to provide housing and all other living costs for these economic migrants...That money would be better spent on preserving our vanishing native wildlife.

The Green party are a complete and utter waste of space. They are actors in partnership with the current government to make it seem as though they have some opposition concerned about the environment, when really the Greens are part of this government. It always amazes me when people get excited about upcoming elections and who they are going to vote for. It makes no difference who they vote for...as they are all in it together and it has already been decided before the election is over who will run this country...I shouldnt really say run as they are all totally incompetant....but this is the way it has been designed.

According to the Skilled Migrants - Live in Victoria website: "Skill shortages in many industries and sectors in Victoria allow skilled migrants to take advantage of a range of employment opportunities". What about young citizens who have done pre-apprenticeship courses at TAFE, as their own expense, and can't find positions to fulfill their apprenticeships? There just aren't enough positions. Why bring in skilled tradespeople and callously by-pass our own youth trying to make a start in life? "There is a range of pathways to permanent residence for people who want to live and work in Melbourne and regional Victoria including independent visas, state and territory nominated visas, family sponsored visas, and employer sponsored visas". Yes, exactly, it is easier for employers to sponsor a foreigner than to train an apprentice or trainee! Foreign students are preferred because they are compliant, cheap and flexible. It is too easy to come an live in Australia! Citizenship is for sale. "The Victorian Government supports skilled migrants through free state visa sponsorship. State sponsorship gives eligible applicants additional points towards the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC)’s General Skilled Migration points test, making it easier to obtain provisional and permanent visas". Victoria has the highest youth unemployment in the country. Melbourne's north-west achieved a dubious distinction in the latest unemployment data - it has the worst youth unemployment rate in Victoria. Victoria now has the worst youth unemployment rate in the country at 28 per cent. Wrong sort of record to set on young jobless With rising homelessness and unemployment, Victoria should not be advertising for more people from overseas!

A group of scientists are conducting a survey of microbats in the Melbourne area- see 7.30 Report interview http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2846593.htm. These tiny bats about the size of a mouse live on insects including mosquitoes and according to a scientist interviewed yesterday on ABC radio there are few backyards where they are not to be found. They are however disappearing through loss of backyard habitat. This will to be our disadvantage not only because of their intrinsic value as unique creatures and fellow mammals but because they take care of many of the mosquitoes who would otherwise bite humans. It is a shame that The Greens (nor the other parties needless to say) do not seem to place a great value on the suburban environment as habitat. Whatever we do with regard to accommodating rising population, we are losing. Although this survey has been going for a few months they are still asking for volunteers to help in this via the Earthwatch website. Dr Lindy Lumsden, an authority on these creatures said in the 7.30 report interview that there are 16 different species and that she has some in captivity that have lived 20 years and still going. I hate to think what other species we will lose in the suburbs of Melbourne in the inexorable and pointless destruction and re building of our suburbs in dense format.

In response to the person that stated that "we have worked so hard to build this country and soon immigrants will take over", you are obviously very foolish! If you are familiar with YOUR Canadian history, I am sure that you know that Natives are the original inhabitants of this land, and ironically enough they have not experienced the prosperity, sense of nationalism and "perks" that you have experienced thus far, and fear will be taken away. Maybe you will have to work for what you have in the future, and maybe minorities" and immigrants will be able to experience some of those rewards, that they have to work for. Since you obviously did not immigrate to Canada you do not know what it feels like to have 10 years of schooling go to waste, or experience pay scales of minimum wage (don't get me wrong, everyone has a choice when choosing to immigrate). However to state that the country will no longer be yours, is quite ignorant, since IT WAS NEVER YOURS TO BEGIN WITH!

to milly;good question!!!

maybe this quote may help you

" It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of it's powers to repress
dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie and thus by extension, the Truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Josef Goebbels
Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda
Nazi Germany 1933-1945

Editorial comment: Whilst there can no little doubt that propagandists, including Josef Goebbels of a past era of history, and today's most influential journalists from this era, implement this philosophy in practice, it is disputed that Josef Goebbels ever actually spoke these words. As put in the article "False Nazi Quotations":

[Josef Goebbels] always maintained that propaganda had to be truthful. That doesn't mean he didn’t lie, but it would be a pretty poor propagandist who publicly proclaimed that he was going to lie. I know of no evidence that he actually said it.

Whilst it is possible that Goebbels never actually publicly uttered these words, it is clear that many of today's opinion moulders are just as much guided by the principle formulated by these words as was Goebbels in his time.

People should wake up out of their stupor! Due to a fragmented society and years of dictatorial "democracy", the public are resigned to the inevitability that lobbying and activism are ineffective! The Brumby government corruptly has been hijacked by the property development industry. Their freeways, tunnels, toll-ways and the desal plant are all part of the scheme to keep increasing Melbourne's population to 5 million and beyond. It is a Ponzi scheme to make people at the top rich while bleeding wealth from the public, and the results are increasing mortgage stress and homelessness, and other soaring costs. Victoria is a lot worse off than ever before. We have higher costs of living than ever before - for basics such as rates, energy, housing, water - and they are set to keep increasing. Even middle class suburbs are facing increasing homelessness, and families are being hit. The "shortage" of housing and public infrastructure is due to our limits being stretched by ongoing massive population growth! Crime and violence is out of control, and with more human developments planned for outer reaches of Melbourne, any beauty in the country will be eroded and bulldozed. Victoria, for most people, is going down the slide socially, economically and environmentally. Last financial year, John Brumby's government collected about $3.6 billion in duty on property transfers. Based on current stamp duty rates, anyone buying a house in Melbourne at the June quarter median price of $559,000 faced an additional bill of $28,610 to cover Brumby's share . There is so much money from property and speculation, and the stamp duty is a rort to get money from people wanting to buy a roof over their heads and getting nothing in return. Housing is not a luxury but a basic human right. No wonder our State government wants ongoing population growth! Our increasing trade deficit for Victoria means that stamp duty has become a major source of income to boost our "narrow revenue base" - however unsustainable, costly, or unpopular!

Acclaimed author Tim Winton has taken aim at the management of the Swan River, saying Perth's greatest gift is being treated like a sewer. In a piece written for _The West Australian _, Winton described the health of the Swan and its adjoining wetlands as a scandal, claiming if it were a financial institution or a football team, its board and CEO would be "dragged from their tower on the Terrace" and sacked. Yesterday Winton, author of the prizewinning 1992 novel Cloudstreet, visited a favourite fishing spot in Mosman Park that he said was polluted so badly at times that litter was piled waist deep. "The Swan River has given me a lot in my 50 years, and Cloudstreet is one of those things. I guess I feel obliged to repay the debt and speak up on its behalf," he said. "It's painful to think of the river my grandchildren will inherit." He will no longer eat anything caught in the river and said there was no political will to restore it to a tolerable level of health. "There are no sleek, commercial lobbyists cajoling cabinet ministers on behalf of the Swan. The tide of money and influence seems to flow the other way," he said. His opinions were backed by WWF WA director Paul Gamblin. "Eighty per cent of wetlands have been lost on the Swan Coastal plain and there is a chasm between the scientific evidence and the reaction," Mr Gamblin said. Swan River Trust chairman Jim Freemantle agreed with much of what Winton said, but said he had not addressed the trust's work. "There is nothing new there in what he said. All river systems across the world are under basically the same sorts of threats - population increase, nutrients, toxic contaminants from generations past, the use of soluble fertiliser. "We are not sitting there fiddling while Rome burns," he said. Winton hopes his words will put the river's health back on the agenda. "People talk about how much they love the river - it's probably time to show it."

Its because these Morons have only three things in their rats maze of a brain....and they are.. Footy, low alchohol crap beer, Holden cars.....75% of the population of Australia is my guess. Oh and they believe everything our caring Government tells them..

I think we can say the human race is doomed.. Three men who viciously attacked a protected leopard seal by throwing rocks at it and dragging it down a beach were undone by placing their photos on Facebook. Michael William Mathews, 23, Harley David McKenzie, 20, and Phillip Ray Horrell, 24, appeared before Judge Jane Farish in the Invercargill District Court yesterday charged with taking a leopard seal and injuring it on or about October 27. The attack, which happened near Rowellan Burn, at Te Waewae Bay, and carries a maximum penalty of six months in jail or a $250,000 fine, was detailed by Department of Conservation principal compliance officer Alan Christie. Mr Christie told the court the three men, all shearers of Tuatapere, were driving past the beach when they spotted the seal and stopped to get a closer look. Horrell filmed the seal while the two others forcefully threw rocks the size of fists at it to try to antagonise it into chasing them, he said. Rocks struck the seal multiple times, including at least twice in the head, and the seal appeared to lose consciousness at one stage, he said. After stopping the filming Horrell and McKenzie then dragged the injured seal down the beach, before pictures were taken of two of the men posing beside it with wide smiles and thumbs up, he said. The photos were placed in a file titled "Good Times" by Horrell and then uploaded to Facebook, which attracted DOC's attention, Mr Christie said. Horrell's lawyer Bill Dawkins said Horrell did not participate in the actions as much as the other men and could be heard at the time telling them to stop. However, Judge Farish said Horrell was more worried about his personal safety than harming the seal and during the video he could be heard laughing and saying "It's f-ed already" and "It's really f-ed now". Horrell was getting "his kicks loading it on to his Facebook page" and the actions of all three men were appalling and barbaric, Judge Farish said. "The animal was clearly distressed. "You didn't show any humanity to the animal on that afternoon. "It was a barbaric act." Matthews' lawyer Richard Smith told the court Matthews said it was "the dumbest thing I have ever done and really regret it". Horrell was fined $5000 and Matthews was find $7000. McKenzie, who has a previous conviction for animal cruelty, was remanded to November 12 for sentence. Judge Farish said if the leopard seal had died then she would have had no qualms with sending all three men to jail.

When I read SHOUTED comments such as those from the semi-literate ignoramus TTHOM above, I despair at the stupidity behind them and treasure sane, restrained responses such as those from James. There is a huge amount of political ignorance in this country. I sometimes strike up a conversation with total strangers just to gain clues into their political awareness, and so often I get a "Huh? I just don't care, mate!" I despair that such morons have the vote. In my opinion, they shouldn't.

The lovely part of this article is the sign of solidarity between children and their parents. So often when ordinary people are squeezed, one generation comes off better than the other in its public image . In many journalistic articles in the mainstream media in Australia "Baby Boomers" get blamed for being greedy and in effect taking from the next generation and having the audacity to have a life expectancy that might place an eventual burden on society. What seems to be forgotten in this generational blame game over what is essentially one's date of birth is that there are many younger people who actually love and care about people from the generation above them- their parents. The article is a reminder of this.

It amazes me how people who go to work and have children ever manage to properly inform themselves of contemporary politics in Australia to the point where they can be any sort of match to those who politically machinate and manoeuvre full time and professionally. I believe it is a full time job keeping up with all their tricks. Presumably one goes into public life to do good but alas they seem to lose sight of what that ever might have been. Suddenly I guess there are new imperatives and like the subjects in Milgram's experiment, they are obedient to the perceived authority. These problems were highlighted in the past few days with the planning issue in Victoria where a member of the Greens in the Upper House appeared to deliberately avoid a vote in the house on a planning amendment which has far reaching effects. The politics associated with population growth in Victoria , Australia is never ending with innocuous sounding perhaps (to some) titles such as "Housing Capacity Study" Sounds reasonable perhaps to some but to me it heralds life in all areas under this scrutiny (and isn't that everywhere ?) relentlessly going downhill.

Australian politics are in doldrums - no leadership, no national planning, no strategic investment, no way out of institutional problems with public services - health, housing, employment, public transport, education, policing, prisons, you name it! The Federal election showed no winners, only compromise of dragging together the best of a worst bunch. Our first female prime minister regrettably is the product of factional cronyism followed by billion dollar seducements with independent MPs - a high speed broadband concept. Gillard is another Labor puppet, so of course she has got to go! So long as deals and financing of political parties be it by unions, or big business, or wealthy individuals, Australian politics is corrupt and failing its democratic principles. This applies equally to Labor, Liberals, Nationals and the Greens. They're all bad. Australians are experiencing the political doldrums. This has created a political vacuum in which anything could emerge.

SHE HAS GOT TO GO!!!!! AUSTRALIA CANNOT AFFORD THE INCOMPETENT LABOR RITES RUNNING THIS COUNTRY! AND WATCH THE SPOT THE NEXT ONE THEY "PUT UP" AS THEIR LEADER WILL BE AND EX UNION HACK. IT IS TIME THAT AUSTRALIANS TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK AT WHERE COUNTRIES END UP WHEN THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF SOCIALIST RUNNING THE SHOW. CASE IN POINT USA, FRANCE, ENGLAND(THEY LEFT IT TO LONG AND THOSE POOR TORRIES STAND NO CHANCE OF FIXING UP THE MESS OF THOSE INCOMPETENT LEFT-WINGER , EG. LABOR PARTY) Editorial comment: Firstly, it would be appreciated if comments were not made ALL IN UPPER CASE. Secondly, I think commentators should state clearly what the are in favour of and not just what they are against. I think readers would justifiably suspect that this commentator would have preferred the Liberal and National Parties (LNP) to have won the last federal election rather than the Labor Party. The statement in which the commentator reveals his/her likely political sympathies is '(THEY LEFT IT TO (sic) LONG AND THOSE POOR TORRIES (sic) STAND NO CHANCE OF FIXING UP THE MESS OF THOSE INCOMPETENT LEFT-WINGER, EG. LABOR PARTY)'. For all our misgivings about Julia Gillard and her Labor Government, I personally think, although it is not the candobetter consensus, that the Australian public were better served by Labor, rather than the LNP coalition being able to form Government after the election. The public was served better still by so many votes going to parties other than the two major parties and the Parliament being a hung Parliament. As a result, whoever it was who formed government could not have been so contemptuous of the widespread community views in opposition to policies enacted by both Labor and LNP governments in recent decades. Whilst many justifiably distrust anyone who wears the label of 'Socialist' or 'left-winger', true socialism (as opposed to what so many who proclaim themsleves to be 'Socialists' would impose upon us) is about achieving justice and equality for all and is a far more laudable goal than that of parties which openly favour the so-called 'free market'. If anything, we should be critical of Labor for having abandoned its past commitment to Socialism and its embrace of 'free market' policies.

The public are in a trance of obedience due to knowing that any efforts to have a voice in public concerns will just be obstructed and ignored. We don't have a dynamic democracy any more - just bureaucrats intent on "business as usual", content to continue whatever path they like. We are over-governed and there are too many fat-cats, distanced from the public. Even the Victorian Ombudsman's office can do little. The Brumby government is corrupt and narrow in their interests, and are feted by property developers and business councils. Demonstrations just make a noise that will be ignored by the powers-that-be! It's not surprising that the Federal elections showed such ambivalent results! We really do lack leaders in Australia.

Source: Sydney Morning Herald, Paul Myers
Australia is rapidly losing control of its food resources. The purchase of AWB - the former Australian Wheat Board - by the Canadian company Agrium, now approved by the Foreign Investment Review Board, is the tip of an iceberg where large segments of food processing and marketing have been sold offshore.
Australia should look to its food security, before all the farm is sold
Australians are in danger of becoming servants, not masters, of their own food resources.... Australia and New Zealand are high on China's list. In June, a Tasmanian real estate agent reported strong interest from China in northern Tasmanian dairy farms!

It is pure idiocy to sell off Australian land and agriculture to overseas investors!

The problem is globalisation, and Australia is being viewed as a global resource rather than a sovereign nation, to our disadvantage. Food security will be vital in the future. Whether or not we can sustain our food supply in the future could decide our future survival in the face of population blowout, consumption of global resources and climate change. Australia only has limited fertile soils and water, and protecting what we have is imperative. Already the Murray Darling is under threat from "ecological overshoot'! We are being sold-out by lack of patriotism and poor leadership in Australia, to our detriment.

Prof Julian Cribb, author of The Coming Famine says the most important people in the world are farmers. His book is a wake up call dealing with the most urgent issue facing humanity in the 21st century - whether or not we can sustain our food supply! He says that a food crisis has already started, and food wars are already happening, and water is in ever scarcer supply. Soil fertilizers that have been taken for granted are in severe decline, peak oil has already passed and climate change is real and happening. The "elephant in the kitchen" is population growth, and the mass migrations of "climate change" refugees will escalate! He calls for a doubling of investment in agricultural science because farmers alone will not be able to solve the challenge.

We must adopt a new diet that involves less energy, land, water, nutrients, and pay more for food so that farmers are paid a fair prices. He is not a vegetarian, but assesses that one hectare of land can produce 78 times more food than the same land under beef cattle and employs more people!

With overpopulated nations scouring the planet for land to secure their food for the future, the most futile and dangerous thing is to sell our own land off to foreigners! We primarily need to ensure our own food security and any excess should be exported to support our economy. We are not a global resource, as Australia is still a sovereign nation. We already import more net food than export, and with peak oil setting in, this will become limited. We need firm leadership in Australia - too many wimpy politicians are selling us off to the highest bidder.

I find that a lot of the public are awake and realise what is going on in the government - that it is corrupt at every level. What many still do not realise is that the mainstream press and the ABC are also ideologically corrupt, representing the growthist and profiteering forces over democratic interests. Therefore the middle classes still write to editors, listen to the ABC and watch the ABC, and think this will get them somewhere. They also think that the unions are representing the interests of the workers. Then there are also lots of people in the working classes etc who know the system is corrupt and they are being sent down the river and who realise they cannot trust the newspapers and TV but who don't know where to go. A major function of candobetter.org is to create an Internet rendezvous for such people and their concerns and help us all to relay, to find commonality, and to organise to beat the corporate press and government. Sheila Newman, population sociologist

Yes and still the Australian public will accept all this without a whisper..Until the public wake up from their slumber and realise that this government and every other government is a corporation and is out to bleed as much money as they can from them as possible..When is the day going to come when everyone wakes up.....All is not well so stop pretending it is.. Ed. Title changed by eds at cdb because there was no real title and to give idea of content.

Meanwhile aristocratic pollies have ramped their own superannuation pensions up to 15%, while the rest of us linger on 9%, and with a superannuation nest egg rorted by commissions and economic downturn in value. Meanwhile, where is the Australian Government policy, strategy and funding to combat rampant ageism in the workplace and recruitment sector? Try being over 50 and finding a job in Australia! Meanwhile, the traditional gold watch myth of sudden retirement is already one of Australia's greatest social challenges. Baby-boomers are now over 50 and the sheer volume poses serious flow-on socio-economic demand pressures - hospitals, aged care, mobility, access equity, suitable housing, etc. Sudden retirement needs rethinking to more of a scaling down phased approach. Yet Australia has no retirement policy. A starting point to expose the reality of the problem is to redefine the parameters of unemployment to include all those of working age (18 to 67 now) not employed full-time, and to show the breakdown by age group. So long as pollies are pensioned like aristocracy, how can they be respected leaders of us over 50s discriminately condemned to the scrap heap? Corporate Australia's 'skills shortage' lie is all about avoiding the cost of training Australians in favour of cheap imports.

The Australian 'Labor' Government of Kevin Rudd (Prime Minister Julia Gillard's predecessor) raised the retirement age from 65 to 67 in 2009 because it claimed that it could not afford to support longer periods of retirement caused by increased life expectancies. Surely, if the economy has improved as much as the economists claim that it has in recent decades, it would be no strain at all for our Government to fund more years of retirement. Why can't working hours be reduced, particularly for elderly workers, if our economy has done so well? If the elderly are such a strain, in spite of our supposedly improved economy, then why not consider measures such as graduated retirement? Why not allow those who are now being made to work two extra years work only 20 hours per week, instead of the 38+ hours required of workers? Indeed, if the economy is doing so well, why isn't it possible to reduce everyone's work week, and why not reduce the work week for all over, say, 45 to 20 hours on full pay? See also: Plan to lift retirement age 'narrow-minded' of 13 May 2009:
... But Mike Rafferty from the University of Sydney's Workplace Research Centre says lifting the pension age is an unfair policy. "For many people that are wealthy, they can retire whenever they like," he told ABC Radio's The World Today. "So what it is really doing is it is saying to the working age people who can't afford to retire when they like that essentially now they are going to be pushed further away from retirement." He said the move will cause a greater class rift in retirement.
"You are going to create larger inequality into retirement because we already know that by the time people get towards retirement age all sorts of inequalities are already locked in," he said. "Now you are going to say amongst those who can't afford to retire, you are going to work longer as well. "It is very narrow-minded. It is single-issue focused and it is an agenda that is largely driven not by necessarily the needs of a country but by the needs of a Treasury." Why does the ABC now delete readers' comments after 3 months? Note: Comments on the abovementioned site from visitors have been deleted(?!) The site says: "Comments for this story are no longer available. ABC policy is to delete comments on stories three months after they are published." Why the ABC presumes that site visitors would not want to read the views of other site visitors or those, who had take the effort to write their comments, would not mind the comments being deleted is not explained. Does the ABC management feel threatened by the expression of critical thoughts? If not, why else would it adopt such a policy so destructive of the creativity of its viewing public?

In France there is a quota on foreign students and all places- for citizens and foreign bursary holders - are free. Once Australia's system was very similar. What we are seeing here in Australia is the recreation of a colonial class of people who will not have the same educational and training or land-purchase opportunities as the caste that rules them. Yes, what we are looking at is what happened when the British took over England, and put down the Indians. This is how Australia started but there was a rise of democracy during Federation in 1904. This has taken a little over 100 years to put down, but the so-called 'elites' who are empowered by money, not brains, are going to succeed if the so-called alternative movements keep helping them. The arrival of specifically indian students, by the way, has little to do with this. It is just easy to use the example of colonial India, with its fabled British land-tenure generated overpopulation and British generated cruelty - generating Ghandi eventually - to illustrate our predicament. I could also use Africa, Samoa, and New Guinea - however, not Fiji, since the micronesian Fijians still control their own land. Sheila Newman, population sociologist

Since Howard, Australian LibLab Federal governments have cut and undermined university funding forcing universities into commercial operations to be viable. Why? How can this be beneficial to Australians? Most now financially depend upon full fee-paying overseas students at the expense of Australian school leavers. The Australian tertiary education policy effect for the past 20 years has thus been educating non-Australians at the expense of Australians. They have also been distracted away from core education by research grants. Newly qualified overseas students have then been granted and encouraged to become Australian immigrants and so obtain the higher paying jobs. Meanwhile, Australian born students are finding it harder and harder to get tertiary education in their own country. It is a disgrace! Australia's tertiary education policy could well be controlled and guided from Beijing or Delhi or anywhere but Canberra.

Monash University is poised to slash about 300 staff and shave $45 million from next year's budget as a nationwide slump in international student enrolments begins to bite. The reason is that less international students are being lured here because some doors have been closed to immigration. Is is also due to high dollar, and strong competition from the United States, Britain and Asia. New rules will make it harder to get residency! In another ominous sign for the nation's multibillion-dollar education industry, Monash has predicted a fall of 10 per cent or more in its foreign student enrolments next year. www.theage.com.au/national/education/foreign-students-in-retreat-20101013-16k03.html Interestingly, we know a PhD student from Peru studying at Monash and she is amazed and surprised that there were hardly any "Australians" there!

Why are Greens so reluctant to admit what the real problem is with the planet is not just anthropogenic "climate change" but overpopulation.? People are being pushed to live in areas such as below sea level, sensitive coastal areas, on mountainsides or close to native forests. Then they blame the resulting disasters on global warming! Why don't they "draw the dots" and speak out about overpopulation? With the population expected to increase by a whopping 30% in the next 30 to 50 years, there'll be plenty of new 'global warming disasters' created. Where are all the refugees going to go? We can't welcome them all! The government is working on carbon pricing, but where is their population control policy? They are under tremendous pressure to increase our economy through population growth. Already we have hit the limits of the environment with Murray Darling food bowl, despite "sustainable" being used in every context. Immigration is a socially engineered 'population re-distribution policy'. But with 9 billion projected humans on the globe in the next decades, there's only so much space and resources for re-distributing. We all know what causes humans to be born, how about governments invest some money in teaching people about limiting their offspring? Dr, Martin Luther King said, "Unlike the plagues of the dark ages or contemporary diseases, which we do not understand, the modern plague of overpopulation is soluble by means we have discovered and with resources we possess. What is lacking is not sufficient knowledge of the solution, but universal consciousness of the gravity of the problem and the education of billions of people who are its victims."

The farmers have been deceived by mis-management and incompetence from successive governments. We have Ministers for the Environment, Climate Change, Water, Agriculture, all making so-called "sustainable" policies. Farmers assume they are reliable and plant their crops and buy assets - assuming that "business as usual" is OK! Water allotments have increased over the century, and it is clearly NOT sustainable. Now they have to cope with heavily reduced allocations and ruin? No wonder farmers are angry. The farmers have been deceived by incompetent governments running an economy, for profits and exports and increased GDP and ignoring the environment - the structure that keeps our planet going and provides our food and water. They are destroying the goose that laid the golden egg. Our politicians are out of their depth and not qualified in vital areas of expertise. Why are we thus increasing our population? Dick Smith and Prof Julian Cribb are right - we could be facing disasters in the future for lack of food!

The Australian Greens have not even kept the Lib/Lab bastards honest - a default role vacated by the Australian Democrats.

Those controlling the Greens must prefer that the Greens remain ineffective - as if Labor faceless factionalism has infected the Greens as well. It seems all Left-leaning malcontents have gravitated to the Greens, causing it to become a contradictory salad of bohemian tossers.

Indeed, the Greens are reliably ineffective. Ask any community grassroots activist group who has sought the support of The Greens with a campaign. A 'Green Agenda' is an exercise in pontification; a phenomenon to behold! Milly's comment 'Vague answers from Greens' demonstrates this quite poetically.

The Greens are so reliably ineffective that their deceptive lure is more 'effective' than if grassroots activist groups dare approach Nationals for support. At least with the Nationals, a spade is a flamin' shovel and such groups have no doubts where they stand.

There are many double-edged words in Sarah Hanson-Young's email response. There are a lot of words such as "recommendations", "policy options", "plans", "economic sustainability", "inquiries", "perspective", "debate", "panel" - etc etc. All a bit evasive and vague, with no substantial commitment to numbers or concrete evidence of just what is "sustainable" or the democratic processes that should decide our lifestyles and interests. Too much political-jargon means that it can be interpreted at will, according to what they want! We want to hear some firm statements and objectivity, with commitments such as: abolition of the baby bonus for over two children limit of immigration to X thousand per year stabilizing numbers to X million protection of flora and fauna and to stop species losses protection of ecosystems from the demand for "jobs" and "economic benefits" Human growth should be recognised as a threatening process, and their "Green" agenda will be compromised by ongoing population growth.

Government documents obtained by The Age reveal the international consortium AquaSure feared ''civil disruption'' could prevent it delivering the project on time, and indicated it needed reassurance about police help before agreeing to take on the project. Police ''will release law enforcement data'' to AquaSure. DSE officials met senior police on March 11 last year, and the possibility of a deal involving the government, police and AquaSure was discussed. The desalination plant is the key element of the government's multibillion-dollar plan to ''drought proof'' Victoria. Ironically, Melbourne was already "drought proofed" in 1983 when the Thomson Dam was completed. However, our population keeps overshooting our natural limitations, and thus the public must be forced, with the help of Victoria Police, to pay excessive amounts for something as natural and basic as - WATER! Brumby's main focus has been ensuring we have maximum freeways, tollways, tunnels, roads, water infrastructure and development to ensure their drive for 5 million people in Melbourne by 2030 - and ongoing from there!

1st October, 2010 Thank you for you email concerning population policy. I apologise for lateness of my reply, but due to the large amount of correspondence I receive I can not respond as quickly as I would like and regrettably there is always a delay. The Australian Greens believe that population policy should not be driven by economic goals or to counter the effects of an ageing population. As population is a complex issue, while we want a sustainable relationship between humans and the environment by taking action in Australia, including planning, consultation and a whole of government approach, to improve equity in consumption levels and resource and technology use; and globally, to improve social and economic equity and promote programs that empower women. In March of this year, Greens have moved a motion calling on the Government to establish an independent National Inquiry into Australia's Population to 2050. Australia's population should be determined by the capacity of our environment and our infrastructure. Immigration should not be stopped. In fact Australia should increase its humanitarian immigration program, but we need to reduce our skilled migration program and balance that reduction by investing in skills training for Australians. National population policy is the responsibility of government; it should be responsive to national and global factors. Global population is expected to grow from 6.8 billion people now to 9.2 billion by 2050 and Australia should be taking a lead in finding global solutions. (my comment: does that mean we should be a resource to ease global population pressure?) The motion was as follows: Motion calling for a population inquiry: (1) That the Senate- (a) notes that: (i) global population is expected to grow from 6.8 billion people now to 9.2 billion in 2050, (ii) Australia's population size and capacity to sustain population growth at the current rate is an issue of national significance that requires a national population policy and strategic plan as a matter of urgency, (iii) as a wealthy nation, Australia is disproportionately able to influence and slow global population growth, and (iv) there is growing public debate about the question of population size; and (b) calls on the Prime Minister (Mr Rudd) to establish an independent national inquiry into Australia's population to 2050, which is to report by 1 July 2011. That, in establishing the inquiry: (a) the chair and panel of the inquiry be appointed with cross party support to ensure independence; (b) sufficient funds are allocated to ensure that the inquiry holds public hearings in all capital cities and major regional centres across Australia; and (c) the terms of reference for the inquiry include: (i) the impact on Australia of the growing global population and how best Australia may affect it, (ii) the development of a plan for a population that can be best supported in Australia within and then beyond the next 40 years, taking into account technology options, infrastructure, patterns of resource use and quality of life considerations, (iii) the environmental, social and economic sustainability of Australia's population in the short-, medium- and long-term, (iv) the value of a whole-of-government approach to population incorporating consideration of immigration and family policies, (v) making recommendations of national policy options in relation to population including, taking into account regional and local perspectives, and (vi) any related matters. Yours sincerely, Sarah Hanson-Young Australian Greens Senator for South Australia

Given the indisputable rottenness of both major parties, the Greens should have years ago become a potent third political force with a much larger vote and a much greater represention in all state parliaments and the Federal parliament. That they have not suggests to me that those in control of the Greens actually prefer that they remain ineffective. This is most convenient for the ruling elites as the energies and talents of those, who would otherwise be far more effective, is diverted into supporting an organisation which seems to have been deliberately crippled as a vehicle for positive change by those in control of it.

Voting 'Greens' has become a protest vote against conservative Lib/Labs - which being so policy-identical ought to consider merging in order to boost their party numbers. Greens have become leftist Labor. Greens are about upper middle class idealists. They are not about socio-ecological conservation. The Greens leave a conservation power vacuum. But should the grassroots campaign hardy Wilderness Society form a political party, it would stand a strong chance of at least a Senate seat in the next round of Federal elections.

Hi Vivienne, Kennett brought in the policy of rural density with wider definitions of family reunions in country areas and ultimately to cbds as places 'in need of immigration'. Bracks continued this. Brumby continues it. The developers have been stuffing up places like Ballarat and Bendigo, stretching their water supplies beyond their limits in drought periods etc. Sounds like the Greens are just planning to continue to facilitate the developers in the same bad old tradition as Menzies and all the other land-speculating governments. The point is, I think, that just because you call yourself 'Green' doesn't mean that you really are. The use of political brands seems to have been abused in the case of the Victorian Greens. Why are activists looking to the Greens. Wake up! Sheila Newman, population sociologist

Downloading the full document for the Land Use Planning Policy states that one of their key priorities is: The Australian Greens Victoria will work towards (not promise): "Increasing state budget rural and regional allocations in percentage terms to stimulate jobs, investment and population in these areas". Also, "Mixed use medium density residential, commercial, office and (where appropriate) industrial development being increased in regional centres, small towns and suburban centres, with convenient access to frequent public transport". They will allow increased urban areas where there is infrastructure in place: "Greenfield/brownfield land being converted to urban uses only after public transport (electrified rail, tram or bus) construction has been factored into the land development pricing along with local/state government partnerships". They will also work towards (not promise): "Creating a permanent green belt around Melbourne’s Urban Growth Boundary". They condemn our urban sprawl overtaking fertile lands and threatening the amenities of coastal areas, so will distribute people more to rural and regional areas, not actually stop land subdivision or population growth. This makes our growth rate more "sustainable"?

Overturning a century of greed to better manage the Murray-Darling will be a test of the nation, South Australian Premier Mike Rann says. "For 100 years this river system has been run in the most irresponsible way based on the lowest common denominator of states vetoing other states because of greed and sectional interest".

The long-term productivity and sustainability of the Murray-Darling Basin is under threat from over-allocated water resources, salinity and climate change.

Water use in the Basin has increased five-fold in less than a century. The problems caused by over-allocation have been exacerbated by severe drought and the early impacts of climate change. Add population growth too! There is insufficient water to maintain the Basin's natural balance and ecosystems, resulting in a marked decline in its ecological health.

Many species that once were common are now rare and listed nationally for protection under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999. At least 35 bird species and 16 mammals that live in the Basin are endangered. Twenty mammal species have become extinct since 1900 and Murray Cod, Australia's largest freshwater fish which was once widespread, is in severe decline.

In 2003, 80 per cent of the remaining River Red Gums on the Murray River floodplain in South Australia were stressed to some degree due to the combination of human activity and drought, and 20-30 per cent of those were severely stressed. With the ongoing drought the situation is significantly worse now.

We are supposed to reap Nature's excess, or bounty, not erode its "Capital" - the basic ecological structures that support the production of water! It's like burning a house's beams for firewood and calling it "sustainable"!

By 1994, 77% of the Murray River's annual flow was being diverted for human use, with 95% of this use being for agriculture. Environmental flows were conveniently forgotten in the race for agribusiness profits.

As a result, a lack of water has played havoc with rivers, wetlands, forests and floodplains.

At the economic root of the problem of the water crisis is the unsustainable over-allocation of water allowances in the Murray-Darling basin to farming, particularly the export-oriented agribusinesses.

Victoria exports around 85 per cent of Australia’s dairy product exports, worth around $2.3 billion in 2008-09. As such, returns to farmers are strongly connected to world dairy commodity and exchange markets. Dairy farmers in Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia will be impacted and are now facing an uncertain future. Dairy farming is responsible for the biggest allocations of water.

Australia could lose $805 million a year in agricultural production and 800 jobs, under a draft plan to revive the struggling Murray-Darling river system. That's the assessment of the Murray-Darling Basin Authority.

The removal of vast areas of native vegetation (in some cases over 95% of areal extent) has resulted in 5–15% of rainfall leaking past the root zone over agricultural land. This has caused the changes in land and river salinity. Nevertheless native vegetation and re-vegetation has a most important role in salinity control. Maintenance of remnant native vegetation throughout the basin is a key target in order to conserve and maintain biodiversity and ecosystem services in conjunction with salinity control. The integration of native vegetation into landscape design is critical to halting further loss of species and ecosystem function. This should include wildlife too!

And the science indicates that there's no longer enough water in the rivers to keep the rivers alive.

Roy Hoskings, a rural supplier in the New South Wales Murrumbidgee region, says if the water allocation cuts of up to 45 per cent go ahead local produce such as carrots, onions, rockmelons and pumpkins will be affected.

Australia is already a net importer of food, and food exports need to be prioritized to provide for Australians first and foremost. Proposed drastic cuts to water allocations in the Murray-Darling Basin will hit farmers from Griffith to Narrabri and send supermarket prices soaring, industry experts said.

Economically, through exports of its wheat, wool and meat, it has underpinned Australia’s early economic development, although today its agricultural products represent only 2% of GDP and 4% of export earnings. Currently, over a third of the food for Australia’s own consumption is grown in the Basin.

We already are facing record high prices for water, power and housing. Now food prices will increase. Why then are we continuing to increase our population in face of more "shortages" - this time of food production?

These "experts" selected for population committees by our politicians would not be able to design a camel! We don't need more committees, think tanks, consultations or studies about population. All we need to do is limit the baby bonus to two children per female, and limit immigration to 50,000 per year or less. We employ our politicians to be dynamic, to be thinkers and planners, and show some initiative and results. Even a child would understand that a finite vessel can't continually be added to or it will overflow! With the threat of food shortages from the demise of the Murray Darling food bowl, and the demolition of vineyards, market farms for urban sprawl, it does not take too much joining of dots to see that our main sources of population growth - immigration - must take some hard cuts. We are slaves to "political correctness" and fear of being called "racist". We must start public demonstrations, and resist being silenced by such ill-founded political manipulations.

Suspects du Preez and Maluleka will join Dawie Groenewald, veterinarian Karel Toet, and nine other people in court on April 11th, 2011, to face charges of assault, fraud, corruption, malicious damage to property, illegal possession of firearms and ammunition, and contravening the National Environmental Management Biodiversity Act. The masterminds behind South Africa's growing rhino poaching scandal could find themselves blacklisted internationally and banned from working in conservation ever again. Multiple charges have been brought against this group, including racketeering, money laundering, various counts of theft, malicious damage to property and contraventions of the various provincial Conservation Acts and the Aviation Act. Rhinos are under siege, due to the demand from China and Vietnam for illegal rhino horn in traditional medicines. However, rhino horn has been scientifically tested and proven to have no medicinal value. The pair will return to the dock in April next year with Groenewald and 10 other accomplices. Investigators have also been collecting evidence at Groenewald’s Limpopo farm. Investigators believe the game farm owner was buying up to 100 rhino a year and but was not able to account for many of these animals.

I've never yet met a kangaroo who did not want to put as much distance as possible between him/herself and humans. This (no doubt true) story has a typical format- humans misbehave with respect to animals, damage is done to humans or animals or both and animals pay the price. This tragedy sounds totally unnecessary and raises the question "what were adults at the picnic doing while the children were harassing the poor kangaroo ? " Getting drunk? Just being morons? If humans who know nothing about animals and have no empathy are allowed into situations where they will come in contact with them they need to be educated in this regard in primary schools. The trouble is (apart from the fact that there are too many people) that as we become increasingly urbanised and society's familiarity with wild life diminishes, there will not be enough teachers with direct experience or the interest to teach small children. I don't hold out much hope in future for wildlife on our urban fringes that gets in the way of members of the human plague.

This article just goes to show that alot of people are breeding a race of imbeciles.. Notice where the article mentions that " There were kids chasing this poor kangaroo and it could have turned around and killed them, when they panic they can do all sorts of horrible things"..My answer to this is that its a shame this poor animal didnt take a couple of these Morons in the making out before it died this horrific death at the hands of this menace.. A kangaroo that died after it was harassed and chased by picnickers has prompted wildlife rescuers to call on the public to leave native animals alone. Rescuers were called to the Greenvale Reservoir on September 26 after reports a kangaroo was being chased, forcing it to keep running into a fence. By the time rescuers arrived, the animal "was bleeding everywhere” with broken teeth, a broken jaw, fractured eye socket and inflamed face from trying to escape through the fence. Wildlife rescuer Laurelle Erwin said they had no choice but to euthanise the male kangaroo. "People were just harassing him all day and it led to his death,” she said. Ms Erwin said hundreds of people were at the picnic site chasing the kangaroo and frightening it. The situation could have ended worse, with injuries making kangaroos "nervous and unpredictable”, she said. "There were kids chasing him, he could’ve turned around and killed them, when they panic they can do all sorts of things.” With more people expected to picnic and visit reserves in the lead-up to summer, Ms Erwin has called on the public to stay away from native animals. Ms Erwin was disappointed the public harassed the animal and said people needed more knowledge about how to treat wildlife properly. "It could’ve been prevented and we could’ve moved him on,” she said. RSPCA spokesman Tim Pilgrim said the public "should not attempt to chase or herd it away as the animal may become frightened or disoriented and injure itself”. He said the RSPCA was "very upset” that the kangaroo had to be put down. If you see injured wildlife call Wildlife Rescuers on 0417 506 941 or Wildlife Victoria on 1300 094 535. *Hume Leader

A recent article in favour of population growth is Rise of the Mega-cities And why they will save the human race by Doug Saunders. A brief note at the end of the article mentions that Doug Sanders is author of Arrival City: how the Largest Migration in History is Reshaping our World from which the article obviously derives much of its content. The article, itself, was two and a half pages in length including a page of photos . It also had a promotional page including a photo which comprised the front page of the Weekend Australian Magazine of 21-22 August 2010.

The fact that a major daily newspaper, the Australian can promote and print an article, which proposes such a clearly suicidal course for humanity as, instead, a solution to humankind's current predicament confirms that that this paper's continued ongoing influence gravely threatens our future.

In fact, Doug Saunders pretends to be in favour of global human population stability, but, mind you, only after humankind has continued to its conclusion what he claims is the current depopulation of rural areas by crowding ever more hundreds of millions into the world's cities. He insists that this will actually rescue billions now in grinding rural poverty by giving them access to more lucrative livelihoods, presumably in the factories of the larger cites.

He claims that it will actually be possible for the further industrialisation of farming that he argues must inevitably follow the depopulation of rural areas to make even more food available to feed not only the remaining residents of rural regions, but the billions of residents or the cities. In Saunders' words:

What about farming? Well, fewer than five per cent of Western populations are now employed in agriculture - sometimes as little as two per cent - and this is enough to produce more food, at low cost, than the their urban populations can consume. Now that the poor half of the world is once again experiencing food shortages, it is desperately important that this high-yield agriculture develop in the poor half of the world.

Of course, Saunders 'forgets' that "this high-yield agriculture" depends upon the availability of water and of energy stored in fossil fuel fertilisers. Australia and most regions of the world are running out of both the necessary water and the fossil fuels.

If Saunders is wrong, as he must surely be, then what ghastly fate awaits the hundreds of millions more crowded into cities a long way from the land, when the mechanised agricultural systems inevitably fail to produce anywhere near as much food as is needed by them? By comparison, the humanitarian disaster in which over a million inhabitants of the Soviet City of Leningrad died, mostly from starvation during its 900 day siege from 1941 until 1944 by the invading Germans, will look like a weekend picnic in comparison with what awaits the hundreds of millions crowded into the megacities of the future.

Living in non-urban areas the cause of poverty?

A lie that Saunders' thesis is based upon is that rural inhabitants can only possibly live in desperate poverty and only through urbanisation can they hope to achieve any kind of affluence.

He attempts to draw a distinction between 'rural' poverty on the one hand and 'urban' poverty on the othee, claiming the latter to be far more benign:

Urban poverty may force a mother to send her child onto the street to sell her goods; rural poverty will cause that child to die of starvation.

Why people, living in urban areas, have a guaranteed protection from starvation is not explained.

In reality, rural settlements, controlled from the grassroots up, have given much of humanity both good standards of living and a strong sense of community throughout most of our history. The desperately poor rural communities that Saunders holds up as the fate which must await anyone who does not live in a modern crowded suburbia is only the by-product of the form of industrialisation which has been imposed upon much of the world by Britain since the 18th century.

From GPSO Action #337: • Open borders, by offering an escape hatch or safety valve for developing nations , allows them to avoid to facing up to their unsustainable and growing population. • Open borders is a proven stimulant to fertility in countries of emigration (eg. Central America and the West Indies). The more children had, the greater the chances that one will land in the promised land and forward remittances or anchor and sponsor more family émigrés. • Open borders magnifies the ecological impact of migrants from poor to rich countries, making their numbers more significant. • Open borders, by boosting the population level of countries like the US, Canada, Australia and Britain, makes it difficult for them to achieve sustainability, and until they do so, they have no credibility when they tell developing countries to stabilize and reduce their populations. A “do as I say” rather than “do as I do” policy simply will not work. We have to clean up our own act here before we go preaching to the Africa or Afghanistan or the Philippines about constraining population growth. The Green contradiction: It is curious that in the immigration debate---whenever such a debate is permitted to occur------the Green-left Globalists switch horses in mid-stream. Within the confines of our national borders, they tell us that what is decisive is not how many people we can accommodate, but where they are situated. The classic mantra is "It is not whether we grow, but how we grow". We can double or triple or quadruple our numbers so long as we steer the population to urban centres, and pack them like sardines in a can to lower their per capita energy consumption and keep greenfield acreage untouched, along with ecologically significant nature reserves. Apart from the fallacy of low-energy urban living, and the political improbabilities of wresting land-use decisions from developer-controlled city councils and regional parliaments, this argument is incongruent with their stance on immigration. At that level of discussion, they tell us that it doesn't matter where people live on this planet, it is only their numbers which should be of concern. Moving people around from country to country, or excluding them from doing so does not address the problem. It is like the proverbial futility of moving deck chairs on the Titanic. Immigration, in their imagination, is not a population policy. Besides, building fences won't keep the global population tsunami from sweeping over us, nor will it keep out global warming. In other words, fences inside our borders are a solution to runaway population growth driven by hyper-immigration, but fences around our borders are no solution to runaway global population. Confusing, isn't it? Now get ready to be more confused. Canadian Green Party leader Elizabeth May, who argues for an immigration quota 25% larger than the Harper government's (already the highest per capita intake in the world), has pushed the traditional green line that "smart growth" planning can confine our growing population within ecologically benign urban boundaries. But when faced with complaints that our major cities are already strained beyond liveability with migrants, she has called for their dispersal to rural localities, despite the fact that people have left these regions for compelling economic reasons. So now we have a Green Party that tells us that we should squeeze tighter in urban centres, and relocate to the empty hinterland at the same time. The Green message is now clear. Fences work, but they don't work. Cram into the cities, but settle outside of them. And if you don't like our principles---just wait---we will find other ones for you. If that is not enough contradiction for you, then along comes the climate-obsessed Eco-Marxists. They oppose the free and unfettered passage of goods across national borders because they oppose the corporate agenda. But they support the free and unfettered passage of people across national border because they support the corporate agenda of smashing the indigenous labour force with cheap imported slave labour. Except that they call their globalism "international solidarity" with migrant workers. Native-born workers and native culture are expendable. And their idea of fighting climate change is to shift people from nations with low GHG emissions to nations of very high GHG emissions. Go figure.

An excerpt from "The Culture of Xenophilia" at http://candobetter.org/node/369

In the last century and a half another bold challenge was mounted to re-order our natural affinities. Christian universalism and the rootless cosmopolitanism that was world Jewry found a rival in Marxism. In 1848 Karl Marx told the workers of the world to unite. Incredibly that call is still heard today, albeit among sometimes obscure factions. The Socialist Party of Tampa Bay declared in its 2007 platform, “working people have no country, but rather an international bond based on class.” A canvass of similar groups across Anglo-America would not necessarily reveal such blatant indifference to national interests, but nevertheless take up open immigration and refugee positions and support blanket amnesty for illegal aliens.

Socialist writer Tom Lewis explains “Socialists are internationalists. Whereas nationalists believe that the world is divided primarily into different nationalities, socialists consider class to be the primary divide. For socialists, class struggle---not national identity—is the motor of history. And capitalism creates an international working class that must fight back against an international capitalist class.”

What is critical to the understanding of the Marxist attitude to nationalism is that it takes an entirely pragmatic approach. Marx drew a distinction between good and bad nationalism. “The nationalism of the workers belonging to an oppressor nation binds them to their rulers and only does harm to themselves, while the nationalism of an oppressed nation can lead them to fight back against these rulers.” Thus Marx favoured Irish nationalism, but not English. He opposed the national movements of the Southern Slavs, but supported the Indian rebellion against the British. Lenin warned that “workers who place political unity with their ‘own’ bourgeoisie above the complete unity of the proletariat of all the nations, are acting against their own interests.” To do so, to fall victim to nationalist affections, was to evidence “false consciousness”, an inability to recognize those interests, interpreted of course by party cadres.

Australian political scientist Frank Salter had this to say about the socialist attitude to nationalism. “The Left, as it has evolved over the course of the previous century, looks down on the ordinary people with their inarticulate parochialisms as if they were members of another species…since they care nothing for the preservation of national communities. Ethnies are considered irrelevant to the welfare of people in general. It would be understandable to Martians to be so detached from particular loyalties. But it is disturbing to humans doing so, especially humans who identify with the Left.”

Such is the European Left’s identification with the Other at the expense of the resident national that, in the name of anti-racism, it was possible for left-wing novelist Umberto Eco to declare his hope that Europe would be swamped by Africans and third world emigrants just so to “demoralize” racists. And such is the identification of the AFL-CIO with 13 million illegal immigrants as potential recruits that it supports amnesty and essentially a corporate welfare program that reduces wages for the lowest of American workers. A scheme which advocates call “liberalism” but American workers call an invasion. The Canadian Labour Congress (Edgar Bergen) and its social-democratic parliamentary arm, the NDP (Charlie McCarthy), sing the same tune. Crocodile tears are shed for “undocumented” workers who allegedly make great contributions to the economy, according to their hire-a-left-wing-think-tank. But Statistics Canada’s conclusions are the same as those of Dr. Borjias are for American workers. The British Trade Union Congress tried to put one over on the public with a September 2007 report cooked up by the left-wing Institute for Public Policy Research that maintained that amnesty for illegal immigrants would net the Treasury 1 billion pounds annually. More careful analysis revealed that amnesty would cost British taxpayers up to 1.8 billion pounds a year.

This Marxist legacy of international solidarity to the disavowal of national loyalties persists to the present sometimes in unalloyed form but more often as one strand in a synthesis of muddled xenophilia with Christian and environmental thought. The latter mutation is expressed in the Canadian argument that since global warming is a global problem requiring global cooperation, to obtain this cooperation we must not send out unfriendly messages of “fear” by closing our borders, but drop them instead. Presumably a radically downward adjustment in consumption habits and greener technology will compensate for all the extra millions who would swarm in. Instead of “workers of the world unite” the Greens offer us a new rallying cry: “More and more people, consuming less and less.”

But just as Christian thought is not monolithic, neither is social democratic thought. Arguably the most famous and independent socialist intellectual of the English speaking world, George Orwell, once remarked that “in all countries, the poor are more national than the rich.” Bukharin was wrong. For the working class, national identity was just as important as class identity. And now finally, after their constituents have been battered by one of the greatest migratory waves in history, that saw the United States for example import the equivalent of three New Jerseys in the 1990s alone (25 million people), maverick social-democratic and socialist leaders in the tradition of Victor Berger, or Jack London or Canada’s J. S. Woodsworth are staking out a claim for national, as opposed to international, solidarity.

The Democratic Socialist Senator of Vermont, Bernie Sanders, has begun to make some noise about the disaster that is the illegal immigration invasion in the United States. His voting record in reducing chain migration, fighting amnesty and unnecessary visas rates B-, B- and A+ respectively from Americans for Better Immigration. Former Social Democratic Chancellor Helmut Schmidt now admits that immigration under his administration was excessive and damaging to Germany. In a book published in 1982 he confessed that “with idealistic intentions, born out of our experiences with the Third Reich, we brought in far too many foreigners.” Dutch Socialist leader Jan Marijnissen is strongly opposed to the practice of importing East European workers to undermine the position of Dutch workers. East Europeans are hired as “independent contractors” to circumvent labour law. Marijnissen wrote “It is unacceptable that employers pay foreign workers 3 euros per hour and have them live in chicken coops as if they were in competition in the 19th century of Dickens. The unfair competition and displacement of Dutch workers and small business is intolerable. Therefore we shouldn’t open the borders further, but set limits instead.”

Former Labor Premier of New South Wales, Bob Carr, also argued for the acknowledgement of limits. Along with fellow Labor MP Barry Cohen he has joined Australia’s leading environmentalists Dr. Tim Flannery and Dr. Ian Lowe in exposing the myth of Australia as being a big empty land begging to filled up with people. “Our rivers, our soils, our vegetation, won’t allow that to happen without enormous cost to us and those who follow us.” He calls for severe immigration cut-backs and a population policy.

In 1970 I signed and supported the notorious "Waffle Manifesto" which urged that the NDP---Canada's social democratic party---return to its socialist roots with a commitment to reclaim our economy and culture from the American Empire and reject further integration into the global economy. Trotskyists and right wing commentators made common cause by accusing us of "nationalism", which to their minds conjured up sordid images of death camps and wars of aggression. Leading socialist economist and expatriate American Mel Watkins --a key force behind the Manifesto--- retorted with a famous response that became our rallying cry: "The road of Canadian nationalism does not lead to Auschwitz. It only leads away from Washington." Amen.

This is the text of an e-mail I received. - Sheila Newman Jan Beer to Stand as an Independent in the Electorate of Seymour in Novembers Victorian Election 10th October 2010 Plug the Pipe congratulates Spokeswoman Jan Beer for her decision to stand in the 2010 State Election in electorate of Seymour. Plug the Pipe will be distributing her Media Realeases throughout the campaign. Please read Jan's first Media release which is attached as a PDF file. (Note: I will publish the media release, but, at the moment, I am not able to copy and paste the text. - SN) Also read this weeks Sunday AGE Article :- Beer could spoil the party for Brumby in Seymour

Australia's 2.1% population growth rate, mainly fueled by immigration and their babies, by 2050 will cumulatively reach 50 million, not the 30 million being deliberately under-estimated by growthists. Do the Future Value calculation using compound interest.

Those that argue for or are defeatist about Australia having an over-run population have vested interests in the self-centred gains they will reap from a Rudd (congested) Australia.1

Government gets the short term economic growth results from the increased demand, but deliberately ignores the social impacts and the long term economic problems. Developers and the construction industry benefit from getting more sales and profit from land use development from more people demanding more housing. Banks benefit by selling more mortgages to more people. Miners and big business get cheap labour since importing skilled labour is a quick and money saving way to populate its workforce. Skilled immigration saves corporations millions by avoiding the training of its own workforce and local Australians. That skilled immigration means displacing local Australians is not a concern to such corporations. Immigrants benefit by gaining a better life in Australia than from where the came.

The consistent driver of all these growthists is self-interest, not the selfless betterment of Australia and Australians.

Beware of the inherent bias of organisations reporting statistics to suit their own ends. The euphemistically labelled Centre for Independent Studies (CIS), is a right wing lobby group set up and funded by big business (mining companies and banks) to further the growthist aims of big business.

CIS is about as independent as the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Peoples Democratic Republic of (North) Korea are democratic. It should be renamed 'Growth is Good'.

It is important to be mindful of the counter sustainabililty arguments being put by the growthists. Pro-growth, pro-immigration lobby group FECCA, is an acronym for Federation of Ethnic Communities’ Councils of Australia. In its June 2010 issue of FECCA's 'Australian Mosaic' magazine, FECCA rejects the following concerns:

FECCA rejects the claim 'Our cities are unable to sustain population increases'
FECCA argues: "A number of key academics refute this proposition, arguing
that our cities can sustain more people without increasing the strain on infrastructure and the environment. However, effective planning and urban consolidation and a focus on rural and regional development are certainly needed to enable this expansion."

FECCA rejects the claim: 'We will lose the ‘Australian way of life’ if immigration increases'
FECCA argues: "This argument can be dismissed by referring to Australia’s growth over the last 60 years – during which time we had a 300% increase in population from 7 million to 22 million. Very few would argue that our way of life is now poorer or less ‘Australian’ than it was in 1945."

FECCA rejects the claim: 'Our environment cannot sustain a growing population'
FECCA argues: "It is necessary to recognise that the world’s population
exists regardless of how many people are in Australia. What is most important is the environmental behaviour of all Australians. Taking steps to reduce our environmental footprint is the key to allowing for our necessary economic growth. As it happens, in many instances immigrants are better prepared to demonstrate good environmental behaviour, having past experience in saving resources in harsh environmental or economic climates."


Message: know thy enemy

Footnotes

1.[back] Editorial comment: In fact, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was replaced some months ago by his deputy Julia Gillard. Whilst candobetter is far from uncritical of Prime Minister Julia Gillard, the fact that she acted against Kevin Rudd's appalling misrule that benefitted, most of all, Australia's wealthiest, and was subsequently re-elected as Prime Minister, in the face of hostility to her from the corporate sector and its newsmedia, is a rare triumph for democracy and accountability. Gillard explicitly rejected Rudd's "Big Australia" plans to boost Australia's population. For that she and her Government is now under intense pressure by Australia's business interests to reverse her stance.

Since the Australian Federal election in August it seems any talk in the public realm of population sanity in Australia has been drowned out by articles in the mainstream press e.g "The Australian", "The Age" and the "Sydney Morning Herald", embracing a large population, rubbishing a "sustainable population" and lecturing on how Australia's population will grow anyway no matter what the federal government does. Comment has been republished as an article here.

[Re comment 'Utilization of NZ Brushtail Possum fibre justifies culling' [Anonymous kiwi 23rd September 2010] Where are the NZ stats on cyanide use as a poison for possums? It is dangerous for humans to use as a poison and so dubious it is made available. "I personally would much rather see numbers controlled than letting the animal continue to destroy the environment for birds and other wildlife." Agree. "Culling the possum saves many species including the iconic kiwi." How so? How is the nocturnal tree-dwelling vegetarian possum a threat to the diurnal, ground-dwelling, worm eating kiwi bird? NZ DOC evidence shows that dogs, cats, stoats and ferrets (all introduced) are the main threats to Kiwi birds. "Introduced predators are the biggest threat. Stoats and cats kill 95 per cent of kiwi chicks before they are six months old. Adult kiwi are often killed by ferrets and dogs." So where is the NZ cultural hatred for dogs, stoats, ferret and cats in New Zealand, if the core NZ concern is indeed for the Kiwi bird? Is not the NZ cultural hatred of the possum reflective of a NZ cultural inferiority complex of anything Australian? The introduction of the Australian brushtail by colonial New Zealanders is an inherited burden for current New Zealanders to resolve. I have only suggested repatriation to introduce some lateral thinking to the problem. Possums are territorial so relocating them as adults will not work. The preferred solution would be complete but humane, DOC/RSPCA-supervised culling on a region by region basis. Any use of the possum for human gain perpetuates New Zealand's immoral and backward fur trade. Labelling possum slaughter an 'industry' is backward, like the Japanese slaughtering dolphins and whales, and indeed Australian's slaughtering rabbits for fur hats. Culling animal pest species needs to be science based and humane, not profit based and not using 1080 or traps. I care not for blood money jobs. Those in it should get a real job. The only narrow mindedness in this issue is the New Zealanders' cultural hate for possums yet contentment to pursue a backward fur trade and so perpetuate the cause of that hatred. For a NZ school to engage in 'possum throwing' just confirms this backwardness. The perpetuation of a Possum Fur Trade across New Zealand rural communities reflects a cultural insularity. The new US movie 'Winters Bone' set in hillbilly Missouri could have been made just as easily in New Zealand - it is about a backward culture of poorly educated insular and dysfunctional families locked in entrenched poverty and crime prone. No wonder so many New Zealanders have opted to emigrate to Australia. Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria 3885 Australia

This YouTube Broadcast, "Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - Updated 2010" graphically illustrates my point that immigration, unless at a rate vastly higher than even its strongest proponents are prepared to publicly argue for, will do nothing for 99.9% of the Third World's impoverished. Although high immigration cannot hope to help the poor of these countries, it will almost certainly impoverish the poorest in countries like the Australia and the US and cause incalculable environmental harm.

As Roy Beck says, the only way we can hope to help all, or, indeed, even a substantial proportion of the world's poor is to help them where they live.

I can't cite the exact pages in which the events described by James are covered, but Isaac Deutscher's trilogy biography of Leon Trotsky (written in the 1950's) probably covers them involumes 1 and 2 ("The Prophet Armed" and "The Prophet Unarmed". (Volume 3 is "The Prophet Outcast." ) Although Deutscher was a Trotskyist, the content of these books allows us to see that Trotsky failed to take a firm, decisive stance at critical times in his career. Deutscher's narrative is even more revelatory of faults in other leaders of the Russian Revolution. Trotsky was one of the most respected political and military leaders of the October Revolution and, reading Deutcher, it seems likely that if Trotsky had simply followed his own, usually correct, critical analysis of the wrong courses taken by Lenin and (especially) Stalin, outcomes might have been so much better. The Russian Revolution could have been spared its subsequent monstrous perversion by Stalin and his followers and many 20th century nightmares could have been avoided. Deutscher's monumental works contained revelations for me when, as an enthusiastic Marxist, I read them about 20 years ago. The failure by the Marxist "Revolutionary" movement to pass on Deutcher's insights puts most supposed (anti-Stalinist) "Revolutionary Marxists" in a poor light and fuels a reasonable suspicion that they are corrupt. The supposedly pure and virtuous leaders of the early Soviet Bolshevik Party allowed nationalism to influence their decisions (both rightly and wrongly). This makes the cannonistic denunciations of 'nationalism' by 21th century "Marxists" look as ridiculous as they are.

Opposition to high immigration is equated by Eugene with 'nationalism', as if to label anything as 'nationalistic' automatically discredits it. This is often a tactic of the left.

From such logic, it would follow that were ordinary Australians to achieve the control over their standard of living and quality of life (which they now don't have) a terrible risk would arise. It is as if Eugene were suggesting that, in the longer term, there would be similar consequences to infamous variants of 'nationalism' when millions died, such as in German Nazism, Stalin's Russia, Pol Pot's Cambodia, the Rwandan genocide of the 1990's, and the First World War.

It would be interesting if Eugene could provide us with a single example of a credible government at any time in history that could not have been accused of being tainted with the supposedly evil trait of nationalism. Contrary to mainstream leftist mythology, which holds early communist examples as pure and genuine, even the early Bolshevik government from 1917 until 1923 implemented programs based on narrow nationalism on more than one occasion.

The first example was the Brest-Litovsk treaty of 1918 in which the Bolshevik Government ceded vast quantities of territory formerly controlled by Tsarist Russia to Germany. The territory included almost all of the Ukraine and the three Baltic States of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Because the leaders of the Bolshevik Party of Russia and of the Tsar's former Asian colonies allowed the Germans to brutalise the people of these countries, the Germans signed a peace deal with the Bolsheviks, thus permitting them to go on ruling. The Germans were thus able to avoid fighting a war against their former Russian enemies in the East. This freed them to almost win their war in the West against Britain, the British Commonwealth, France and the United States in its military offensive in 1918.

A second example was when the Red Army entered Polish Territory in 1920. Then too, the Soviet Union appealed to Russian nationalism. It even sought, and obtained, the help of the Russian Orthodox Church. Politically this led to the counter-ignition of Polish nationalism and the military defeat of the invading Russian Red Army by the Polish Armies led by right-wing Marshall Pilsudski.

So, if the early Russian 'Communist' government could not be held to be untainted by nationalism, who could be?

At least nationalism is one means by which a community can assert its own rights, as long as the leaders of that nation are committed to the welfare of all members of that community and not just to a wealthy elite. Without nationalism, the rights of the poorest of the national community are sold out to wealthy foreigners as they were in Vichy France, Holland, and Norway after 1940 or in Japanese-occupied Korea. How much better have recent 'non-nationalist' Australian governments been, where they have allowed land and strategic assets to be sold off to powerful foreign investors? By the way, a new sell-out looms now in the contemplation of a Chinese [nationalistic] government built new power station in Victoria's Latrobe Valley. How different were the actions of those puppet regimes from past history?

After just 150 years of oil extraction, we have burned through roughly half of it. The world is consuming four barrels of oil for every one we find, more than 80 million barrels of oil every day. Optimists believe new technologies will arrive before we reach rock bottom. Major oil exporting nations are well past their supply peaks, with giant fields rapidly diminishing in size and new finds proving to be small and relatively insignificant. This desperation is why we had the Gulf of Mexico disaster! Reports from government and military agencies in the United States, Great Britain and Germany all point to shrinking oil supplies as a growing reality fraught with potentially drastic consequences —resource wars, price shocks, shortages of fuels and vital goods, and broad economic decline. Already there are reports of food shortages. The ice covering on the Himalayan and the Tibetan Plateau is also beginning to melt, and this could have long-term implications on global grain harvest too — as these also nurture the irrigation systems of agriculturally important countries in the region — China, India and Pakistan. Instead of building more highways, we must expand public transportation and make it more appealing, accessible and affordable. Investments by governments and the private sector must be designed to bring manufacturing and food production processes closer to our homes. Nations must become, ultimately, responsible for their own borders. Global oil production is likely to start its inevitable decline sometime in the next few years, perhaps by 2015 or earlier. Cities that prepare in advance for the future oil shortages will have tremendous advantages over those that keep believing that business will always be as usual. If fuel gets towards the CSIRO scenario of $8/litre by 2018, there will be a lot of changes needed in people's travel habits. Oil Vulnerability Planning should be commonplace, just as people assess their bushfire risks and have emergency plans in case there are major bushfires. Peak Oil is just one of the problems facing defence forces, but perhaps a critical one in that the globalisation of manufacturing and supply depends on it . http://www.aspo-australia.org.au/ Globalization is likely to emerge as a failed strategy.

A new wave of nationalism is the last thing we need. I've always considered that a bad word, somewhere between patriotism, and racism. To each their own I guess. You're certainly not alone in your views. In fact the vast majority of Australians would clang their stubbies together in raucous agreement.

Watershed Victoria believe in "relocalising water supply, with consumption reduction targets combined with reuse and recycle". They do not address the root cause - population growth. As will all the "shortages" we are experiencing in public services, our lack of water is a case of overshooting our ecological limits. The Thomson dam, if used properly, is only a fraction full. It was designed to drought-proof Melbourne, and should still be adequate. Logging in catchment areas still continues, and this inhibits flow. Who want to drink recycled water, or reduce consumption any further, below 155 litres per person per day? Water access is a basic human necessity and an indication of society's wellbeing! Watershed Victoria assume that our population growth is something that is inevitable? They should stop being "politically correct" and join in the demands for a sustainable Victoria!

Europeans "discovered" this continent, claiming the land as terra nullius — 'empty land' or 'land belonging to nobody'. This is a concept obviously alive and well in post-Colonial times! Our land on Australia's fertile coastlines is NOT a limitless resource, as governments, developers and the public seem to think. Releasing more land for housing is not a sustainable option. What is it to be "released" from? Our land, vegetation, river systems, biodiversity all depend on the web of life, and so do we. We can't just keep bulldozing habitats, trees and grasslands for more concrete structure, or over valuable farmland. We are heading for global foot shortages, and our limited fertile land should be preserved for food production. Land is not terra nullius but part of the planet's living surface. Either we stop our massive population growth rate, or accept the consequences of environmental destruction and third world living standards!

UPROAR AS LABOR MP RESIGNS OVER FREEWAY PLANS FOR BANYULE | MEDIA RELEASE Friends of Banyule & Protectors of Public Lands Vic. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/freeway-dissenter-urges-referendum-20100825-13s6v.html Back in 2001 Labor MP Craig Langdon announced in publicity flyers for a community meeting at Ivanhoe that "Labor's policy is to not build any freeway through View Bank, Heidelberg and Bulleen."It was followed by then Transport Minister Peter Batchelor's statement to Parliament on 9 October 2001 that the Labor Government would never, ever "build a freeway through the Yarra Flats to link the Eastern Freeway with the northern metropolitan ring road." On 8 December 2008 Premier Brumby released the Victorian Transport Plan, revealing proposals for the North East Link project through Banyule. Then in June 2009 Mr Langdon arranged for road authority SEITA to inform residents on construction of the Mullum Mullum Tunnel, part of EastLink, apparently intending to reassure people that no harm would come from a freeway-in-a-tunnel through Banyule. Since then Mr Langdon has remained silent about Government plans for the Banyule freeway. That is until today. Community organisations have been taken by surprise at his sudden outburst and condemnation of Government plans for the North East Link.

Ross Spirou's photographs of fauna and flora on Banyule Flats are extraordinary, and show what a rich environment it is. We need an article about this place to feature his photos and link to the photo site (which, to repeat the information, is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/raskimon/sets/72157624158495258/show/with/4620293248/ (Page is YouTube Video and requires Javascript. See also "Meeting to oppose proposed North East Link in Banyule" of 22 Sep 10 and friendsofbanyule.org) Is anyone able to forward us material or to write the articles, please? And who is building this freeway? Names of companies and ministers etc. please. Sheila Newman, population sociologist

> Eugene, at first, appears to agree with our rejection of 'growthism'. However, he ignores the fact that, if the countries, with higher birth rates, have somewhere to export their surplus population to, they will have even less incentive to limit their own birth rates. It would seem logical that as population density increases, birth rates should decline. However it just isn't the case. Indian cities are already drastically over-crowded, but this is doing nothing to slow the birth rate. Extremely high birth rates are generally a product of poor education, and social innequality, both of which are exacerbated by over-crowding. In 3rd world countries having a large family is not a lifestyle choice. It is often simply a matter of survival. In Australia when we retire, we know that ultimately the government will take care of us, even if we don't have a cent to our names. In India, if you don't have money, and you don't have children to support you in your old age, you either beg on the streets, or starve. I wonder how many people who criticise immigration policies have actually travelled to a 3rd world country? It's a very enlightening experience to spend some time as part of an ethnic minority. I am concerned about Australia's population increasing. I do not believe in a BIG Australia. However I also do not believe that shutting our borders is any kind of solution. What I think we should do is the following... 1. Scrap the baby bonus, and instead introduce tax penalties to discourage people from having more than 1 child. 2. Make it easier for Australians to adopt children from 3rd world countries. Adopted children should be exempt from the tax penalties. 3. Increase funding for support services, to help immigrants integrate effectively into Australian society. 4. Introduce a foreign exchange program as part of the core education curriculum for all secondary school students. If all Australians spent some time in a 3rd world country I think it would go a long way to stamping out racism, which unfortunately is all too prevelant in Australian society. 5. Increase foreign aid, primarily in the form of education services to 3rd world countries. This wont fix all the problems, since ultimately capitalism and global trade is at the root of all that's wrong in the world, but I think it would help. Eugene

Following the announcement by the State Government in December 2008 to build a freeway/tollway connecting from the Western Ring Road to the Eastern Freeway, Friends of Banyule was formed. They are a not-for-profit community organisation dedicated to the protection of the natural spaces in our community that are threatened by the proposed freeway/tunnel/viaduct. There is a public meeting Wednesday 6th October, The Centre, Ivanhoe at 7.15. The strategy pays little regard to the fact that outer urban residents suffer most from a lack of public transport, or to the need to address a decline in rail freight capability. Instead, this plan provides enthusiastic support for our government's wish list of new roads in outer Melbourne and elsewhere. The issue of population growth is very much related to the planned freeway here in Banyule. As Melbourne's population increases the Government continues to make land available in the outer suburbia without any functional infrastructure. River parks such as those of the Banyule Wetlands and within the Yarra Corridor are a vital area for wildlife, rare migratory birds and protected species of flora, with large areas currently under protection by Banyule Council. Recently a koala spotted near the ovals at Banyule Flats Reserve, in the fenced off area of Banyule Wetlands - sitting in a tree, happily eating Eucalyptus leaves. The noise and pollution and disruption would be devastating on the sensitive environment and wildlife that habit the area. See some photographs taken at Banyule Flats Sign the Petition against the Freeway through Banyule

Thanks, Vivienne. You have stolen much of my thunder. Eugene, at first, appears to agree with our rejection of 'growthism'. However, he ignores the fact that, if the countries, with higher birth rates, have somewhere to export their surplus population to, they will have even less incentive to limit their own birth rates. High immigration rates deny many rights of citizens of countries that have achieved population stability. The obvious example is Australia's scandalous housing poverty. No-one in Australia on a normal income can any longer afford to buy or rent a free standing home, even though this was possible little more than a generation ago. During the 2009 Queensland state elections, I learned just how miserable housing conditions were for some of our citizens when I met a woman on social welfare who actually had to share, not just a room, but a bed with a (female) stranger with whom she was not even intimate! Of course, this is a more extreme example of housing poverty. Where available housing is vastly less than what is needed, then some have no choice but to rely on such substandard arrangements for shelter. Many others, even those with professional occupations and correspondingly relatively high incomes, suffer housing poverty, although not quite as extreme. In inner city Brisbane, I have observed a neighbours' qualities of life going down year afer year as landlords, able to take advantage of rising demand, hiked the rents regularly. Two years ago, one neighbour ceased taking his overseas holiday during the Christmas break, because his disposable income had been so reduced by regularly increased rent. The inhabitants of the second of the double flat in which he lived, formerly a husband and wife with a child, have only recently broken up and moved out. In part this was caused by rent rises. Who could have imagined, when I was growing up in the prosperous Australia of the 1960's and 1970's that after decades more of economic 'growth' and 'reform' that some residents' quality of life could have been so reduced? These circumstances have been brought about by property speculators and landlords who have leaned on our Governments to, amongst other measures, increase immigration. Immigration has been increased for no better reason than to increase the market value of the commodity that they have monopolised. No actual real wealth has been created, although the massively increased paper value of the properties are often cited by economists as 'evidence' of economic achievement, Rather, resources have been consumed by the enormous amount of resources plowed unproductively into the property 'industry' and the costs borne by the existing community to allow more immigrants (more roads, dams, power stations, water desalination, etc.) to live here. On top of this, wealth has been unfairly transferred out of the pockets of the poorest in the community through higher housing prices and higher rents to some of the wealthiest. All members of the Australian community cannot, on average, be other than poorer. The already poorest can only have been made far poorer still. That the growth lobby gains, in circumstances where wealth is destroyed and impoverishment increases, is stark evidence that our economy is very unhealthy and dysfunctional. The fact that defenders of high immigration are silent on the impoverishment of their fellow citizens during recent decades can be no accident. To me it confirms that their claim to want social justice and a fairer world is a sham. Either they are consciously acting to serve the interests of those who gain so much at our expense from high immigration or they are the dupes of those who do. Furthermore, unless, they wish to see a rate of immigration, many orders of magnitude greater than even the most rabid "open borders" proponent is prepared to publicly argue for, only a small proportion of the poverty-stricken in the Third World can possibly hope to have their lot improved by immigration. Ecouraging skilled workers to leave the Third World for higher pay in the industrialised countries can only further impoverish those left behind. An accountable Government, acting in the interests of its citizens would immediately act to end this. It would begin by limiting immigration in accord with the wishes of the vast majority of inhabitants and it would introduce disincentives to land speculation and landlordism in favour of people owning the houses in which they lived. Furthermore, it would expand publicly owned housing to help meet the needs of the poorest for shelter.

Global economic integration and growth, far from bringing a halt to population growth, will mean that the consequences of overpopulation in the third world are generalized to the globe as a whole. There is a recent tendency of the environmental movement to court "political correctness" by soft-pedaling issues of population, migration, and globalization. Human overpopulation is the central issue that affects every other problem humanity faces. IF we are to survive this century, shouldn't we curb the rabid growth of the one species that consumes so much? Keeping our borders open gives peoples of the world migration options, and aid, and thus negates the urgency to curb their numbers. We in Australia can stabilize our numbers by reducing immigration to about 50,000 a year. However, we are told that "more is better" - a bigger "herd" is safer and more prosperous. We need to be wary of the illusions of the human herding instinct, and economies based on limitless growth. A Ponzi demography is essentially a pyramid scheme that attempts to make more money for some by adding on more and more people through population growth. Population growth - through natural increase and immigration - means more people leading to increased demands for goods and services, more material consumption, more borrowing, more on credit and of course more profits. If each nation were responsible for their borders, their carrying capacity, their own birth rates and their own economies, there would be no delusions about the real size of their territories, and they are more likely to live sustainably - knowing that their resources are limited and local. Our immigration should centre only on humanitarian cases, not economic immigration, and foreign aid should go hand in hand with family planning, women's and child health services and facilities for the education of women to stabilise populations. On the contrary, we need a new wave of nationalism. Immigration doesn't "solve" overpopulation pressures but simply shuffles the problem around the world and buys more time- until we hit the wall!

Trying to reduce or stabilise our population by reducing immigration does nothing to help the global problem of over-population. I heartily agree that we need to abandon the absurd principal of constant growth, however this should not be done at the expense of compassion and humanitarian obligations. What is really required is to lower the global birth rate. To do something serious about overpopulation we should aim towards an average fertility rate of 1 child per couple, and not just in the 3rd world.

> Under Brumby, immigrants have more rights than locally born Australians! Are you suggesting perhaps that immigrants should have less rights, simply because of where they were born? Did you do something particularly worthwhile in a past life, in order to have earned the right to be born in this country? It’s just luck of the draw Mr Marlowe. You could just as easily have been born in a slum in Mumbai. Also what exactly are Australia's Celtic virtues? I have primarily Celtic ancestry, however I don’t believe there is anything particularly virtuous about this. Vivienne, please be aware of what kind of message these posts present. There are far too many people like Mr Marlowe in this country, and unfortunately articles like yours give them validation that they don’t deserve. If you are truly concerned about over-population, and climate change, then you should realise these are global problems. Simply shutting our borders to these people achieves nothing.

Australia's kangaroo export industry says Arnold Schwarzenegger has come to its rescue in his role as Californian Governor. After a vote in the Californian Senate, Mr Schwarzenegger has signed into law an exemption allowing kangaroo products to be imported for the next five years. The exemption has come as a relief to kangaroo exporters from Australia. In 2007, the industry was granted a three-year exemption from Californian legislation which bans importation of exotic animal parts. That arrangement had been due to expire at the end of this year. Ray Borda runs Macro Meats, Skins and Leather, based in Adelaide, and says the exemption is great news for those in the industry who have faced tough times in recent years, mainly due to prolonged drought and the global financial crisis. If you can understand like an Adidas or Puma or Diadora or any of those or even just fashion shoes or ladies handbags, motorcycle apparel, golf gloves, if a manufacturer is restricted to where they can go in the US, they generally will lose a little bit of interest, he explained. [They] can use this unique leather now and we're pretty upbeat about that. That was a pretty much an injection that we needed. He said the benefits would also extend to marketing products in Europe. Executive officer of the Kangaroo Industry Association of Australia, John Kelly, said it took a big lobbying effort to be granted a five-year extension. It's a very significant reason for some of the grey hairs popping out up above my ears, he laughed. The Californian legal system is complex and has a significant number of problems, one of which is that California has an enormous budget deficit, so getting them to look at any sort of legislative issue in California apart from the budget has been extremely difficult. It involves ... a lot of informing their politicians of the real issues behind the kangaroo industry, how it operates and how sustainable it is, the extensive level of government control, how many kangaroos there are and all of the positive environmental benefits which harvesting kangaroos delivers to this land. Mr Kelly said sporting boots were a big seller in California. The most important aspect of the market for us is in fact soccer boots, he said. California is probably the largest single market for soccer boots and many of the best soccer boots are made from kangaroo leather, so it was very important to retain that market. Mr Kelly conceded the trade battle would have to be fought again. A few years down the track we're going to have to have a look at it again and try to get them to bring in a new piece of legislation with no sunset clause to give us permanent, ongoing, forever access to the place, he said. Read the article ABC You can view the full announcement by following this link: Live Export Shame Regards, The Live Export Shame Forum Team. Contact Arnold Schwarzenegger

Dear fellow Residents, I, and all the residents in our building at 260 Little Collins Street are having constant problems with noise from a variety of sources. The MCC seem to care very little, and do not monitor their contractors, street performers or special events in the area. Last night a Fringe performance began at midnight and went to 3 a.m. with no regard for residents on the other side of the street or local laws. The police were called but did nothing because they had 'a permit' from MCC to be there at that time and were allowed to perform at whatever noise level they themselves or the police deemed as acceptable. No-one seemed to understand or care about noise and nuisance to residents. Regardless of whether the MCC has granted a permit or not, local law needs to be observed, and beyond that, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This type of event in a known residential area contravenes the Universal Declaration of Human Rights with regard to articles 24 and 25 and our own basic human rights to: "a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family"article 25 and our right to "rest and leisure", article 24. The granting of a permit by the MCC also contravenes the World Health Organization 2009 Guidelines which were developed to protect people's health from night noise pollution. Neither the police or the MCC are protecting residents from noise, in fact, they are encouraging it , as a very unsophisticated way of 'making Melbourne more international'. What a joke. They don't understand that those other international cities have measures in place to ensure the human rights of the residents are protected and are of primary concern. As Melbourne grows and develops this issue will continue to become more and more destructive, and will become a major health concern for all CBD residents. I'm drawing a line in the sand now. I am starting a class action against the MCC for failure to enforce its Municipal Council Obligations according to the The Charter of Human Rights, and invite all affected by night noise to join me. Candobetter Editor's comment: Please write, with "no rights for residents anywhere" as the subject, to [email protected] or via the "contact" link just under the "Navigate" heading on the upper left of the candobetter site and we will pass your message on to Isabella, who authored the above comment.

That so many hundreds of thousands, in cities such as Melbourne, live so far away from their workplaces and necessary amenities that it is necessary to spend hours in order to travel up top may many tens of kilometres each day in each direction on freeways, yet to be built at such horrific environmental and social cost as the freeway yet to be built over Westerfield, is surely testimony to the abysmal town planning record of the Victorian state Government and most Victorian councils. If they had done their job properly it should be possible for all but a few inhabitants of Melbourne to get to work and all essential amenities each day by, at most, a drive of a few kilometres or a short ride by public transport. Most should be able to make the necessary journey by walking or cycling. Rather than continue with the destruction of our environment and with making us more dependent upon non-renewable fossil fuels, we should demand of our Governments that they begin, even if decades belatedly, the task of planning our cities to be livable. A cost effective start would be for Government agencies to set up registers in each large urban region of people who have to travel long distance to and from work each day. Where it can be found that any two workers have to travel long distances to work near where the other lives, then, if the occupations require similar skill sets and have roughly equivalent work conditions, then, if both are interested, they could both see if they could negotiate conditions, acceptable to both, to swap jobs so that both work much closer to home and thereby avoid time-consuming ordeal of commuting. If the Commonwealth Employment Service (CES) had not been abolished by the Howard Government, this could easily have been achieved by extending its charter. It would be much harder to accomplish this with the ad-hoc network of private employment agencies with which the Howard Government replaced the CES. This is only one example of how governments could, so much more cost-effectively and equitably than private agencies, make our quality of life better if only the unproven dogma that has been undemocratically foisted upon us since the late 1970's that only the "Free Market", and not accountable, democratically elected governments, can efficiently meet people's needs, were ditched. Of course cramming ever more people into our already dysfunctional cities with high population growth, driven mostly by immigration, will only make any already bad situation far worse, Any government, which ditches "Free Market" dogma in order to better meet the needs of its people, would also quickly end the high immigration program that has been imposed upon us in recent decades.

The Age, 2 Oct "CLAIMS that I promised or ordered works to be stopped on the Peninsula Link at the Westerfield site until a ruling was made on a VCAT submission (Letters, 30/9) are false. Work commenced in this area with all the necessary heritage and environmental approvals and permits in place following extensive planning, which included significant community input. The land was available for construction on June 1 but work was held off to further minimise environmental impacts and retain more bushland. We have reduced the construction footprint by about a quarter and resolved heritage matters following a legal appeal against the works earlier this year. The VCAT submission is being firmly contested. Any delay to the project would be to the detriment of the many thousands of people in Frankston and along the Peninsula expecting this freeway to open in early 2013. I have met with a number of concerned local people about this issue and we will continue to work with the community to deliver ongoing benefits for the region". Tim Pallas, Minister for Roads and Ports, Melbourne ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So he admitted that VCAT would not stop "work" on the Link! Don't let significant biodiversity habitats or heritage values get in the way of progress! "Significant community input"? I wonder if the protesters, and the owners, were consulted? Very magnanimous of him that the delay is "detrimental" to "many thousands of people in Frankston and along the Peninsula"! Is he assuming that the public don't care for their history, heritage, their green wedges or flora and fauna? Fortunately for our government their plans were in place while Peter Garrett was in charge of Environment and administering the EBPC act!

VicForests has announced a net profit of almost $3.6 million for the last financial year. Chief executive David Pollard said the positive result was achieved through the "sustainable harvest of less than 0.1 per cent of Victoria’s native forests". They also profited from Black Saturday fires by sourcing 929,000 cubic metres of timber from trees killed by the fires. The timber industry will be able to convert this wood into products worth $194 million. Wildlife would have benefited from these logs and hollows. Nobody believes their statistics. They add to their figures areas that are not suitable for "harvest" anyway. Their vandalism of East Gippsland's old growth forests, hundreds of years old, and illegal ignorance of endangered species in the process, is their legacy. VicForest is an illustration of our Brumby government's disregard for natural heritage, environmental or community values, and their willingness to trade-off of long-term environmental integrity for the short-term benefits of $$$ dollars. VicForests $3.6 mill in the black

Thank you Vivienne. Good idea! This may be a good way to get the message across. I urge others to write to the police and say if they are worried about how the police may be enforcing undemocratic and unreasonable laws. Sheila Newman, population sociologist

I posted the following to the Background Briefing site: Not yet having had the benefit of having listened to the program, this program seems likely to further undermine what has been the central dogma which has decided most Government policy since at least the 1980's, that is that the Free Market left to its own, without any guidance from elected government, is capable of reliably deciding the most efficient use of resources. If this were so, the Free Market would not have caused railway systems in Australia and the rest of the world to have been scrapped in favour of road transport.

My query is about Westerfield, the historic property with habitat of state significance that was bulldozed yesterday in front of protesters to make way for the Peninsula Link, Frankston. I was not there, but I have heard reports of it, via emails and from the media. I am a wildlife advocate. I am concerned about the legality of the Victoria Police acting in such a heavy handed manner against mainly older people, gentle environmental protesters. Who has the ultimate right to engage the Police? If the Police are meant to enforce the law and protect our democratic rights, then they are being violated by our Brumby government. This property is heritage listed and was a remnant rich biodiversity patch of land that should be protected, legally. The pond had just been filled and frogs were there, and birds were nesting. All this will be destroyed for a freeway that will have limited value in a few years due to peak oil. According to the EPBC Act, this piece of land should be protected. Also, it was not 100% clear who actually owned the land. I heard it was compulsorily acquired from the owners who didn't want to see it go. I heard they haven't even been paid yet! (they were protesting too). The VCAT hearing on this land was still in process, but our Brumby government ordered the bulldozers to go ahead anyway! Who ultimately has the power to use Police resources? What if the State government is acting unlawfully, as it seems to be the case here, surely the Victoria Police have some independence to assess the situation. The Police should primarily be upholding the law and protecting the interests of the community, democratic and legal processes, surely. The supreme court recently found that VicForests were logging Brown Mountain illegally. Our governments should not be above the law, and be accountable. Does our Police force have any independence to assess in such cases whether they are being used, called upon, legally or not? Thanks Website for Victoria Police "delivering a safer Victoria"?

Along the same lines as I have written before, if we the people can't hold our political representatives to account when they trample on our wishes to serve greedy, selfish vested interests as they have done at Westerfield, then we are no longer a democracy in practice. Someone must offer voters a real alternative to Brumby's misrule at the Victorian state elections to be held in November. Otherwise this Government will be almost completely let off the hook for this outrage and will be free in coming years to commit further such crimes against Victorians and their natural environment. Who better to stand against them for true justice and democracy than any of the heroes of Westerfield who featured in this magnificent article, for example Carey Priest, who remained heroically by himself in the trees for 2 hours, to name only one? The only way we can hope to protect our way of life in the long term is to remove from office those who are so obviously not serving the people's interests. We may not be able to achieve that this year, but when, if not now, is a better time to start?

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