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green wedges and Victorian food bowl to be bulldozed
Canada cited again in The Australian
The crux is health risk not religion
Thank you for your comments, Elizabeth.
In my opinion, the authorities were correct in banning crucifixes if there was a health risk, but it was wrong not to ban the other practices if they presented similar health risks.
It is a question of priorities. To put religious liberty ahead of public health is poor prioritising. To then discriminate in favour of one religion over another, if that is what happened, generates unnecessary conflict as well endangering public health.
One can understand your indignation.
I would like to read further comments.
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Cultural diversity a sub-plot of population growth
Melbourne's trains in chaos
HOW BRITAINS RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IS BEING ERODED BY "DIVERSITY"
Melbourne's water restrictions eased
Fire Refuges Discussion paper
well done !
Coles to ban sow stalls from 2014
NIMBY -ism is not misanthropic
Homo Sapiens versus other creatures... & are WE like a VIRUS ?
Yes, Convicted Foreigners Should Be Deported!
The Misanthrope's Banquet- Allegory-An Over Generous Australia
Tried - and NOT True.. Pop Growth a Cancer!
Why Be A Nurse - When You Could Choose to be a Real Professional
Wrong monkey film sorry
IT's wonderful that these
Bryant
Welcome back James!
Evidence that Bryant may have been innocent
Homo sapiens are not an endangered species, or even vulnerable!
Editor's comment: The comment below contains little original input from the commentator. It is almost, in its entirety, a copy of another earlier comment. We don't think this is good practice. The only original content:
"So if the below is correct should we refuse welfare
benefits to single parents in Australia?
Or maried ones for that matter!"
... needs development to constitute an argument. (Comment was originally posted on 15 July. My comment was added on 20 July 2010.)
James Sinnamon
SO IF THE BELOW IS CORRECT SHOULD WE REFUSE WELFARE BENEFITS TO SINGLE PARENTS IN AUSTRALIA?
OR MARRIED ONES FOR THAT MATTER!
"Homo sapiens are not an endangered species, or even vulnerable!
On August 16th, 2009 Bob (not verified) says:
Quite the contrary! The population growth in Africa is explosive, and they are causing their own hunger by out-growing their resources, and corruption of their leaders doesn't help the equitable distribution of food. However, money, or meat, does not justify the end! Drugs, slavery, unsustainable crops such as palm oil, destroying native species, theft, child labour all "help" the economy and short-term needs, but the means does not justify the end. African elephants are under threat from loss of habitat and an expanding human population. According to WWF, the influence elephants have over many plant and animal species means they are often referred to as keystone species that are vital to the long-term survival of the ecosystems in which they live.
Elephants are highly intelligent and social, and will care for each other if one is wounded, and they will even care for their companion's bones!
The real problem is too many humans, and their aggression, weapons, greed, and not enough elephants and reserves! Killing one (of a diminishing species) to advantage another species (humans) cannot, and never will, be justified no matter how much fun, or how convincing and warped the argument is! Hypocrisy is a trait that only humans are capable of!"
South Morang Kangaroo Nazis worse than gang rapists
By mass slaughtering of wildlife South Morang Kangaroo Working Group are worse than gang rapists. At least in the latter case the victims survive to see the dawn of the next day. It is one small mind game step between wickedness to animals and wickedness to humans of any age.
South Morang Kangaroo Working Group's actions are akin to neo-Nazi death squads in the bush. That the Ombudsman deemed the slaughter "appropriate" suggests he is well read in Goebbles.
Tiger Quoll
Snowy River 3885
Australia
Martin Bryant School of Extinction
Victorian Omudsman- DSE "cull" was appropriate
- The site was allocated for development by Westfield Shopping Centre
- The South Morang Kangaroo Working Group (SMKWG) met seven times but was unable to decide on alternative animal management plans!
- The kangaroos were "culled" discretely to avoid possible risks to members of the public.
- Translocation of the kangaroos was attempted on two separate occasions over that period of time.
Smart Growth
Hatred of wildlife
Convicted foreigners need to be automatically deported
At around 2:30am on 10th August, 2008, Irish backpacker David Keohane was viciously bashed to a brain dead pulp in Sydney's seaside tourist suburb of Coogee at the intersection of Brook and Kidman Street. I have walked past this location. It is just leafy suburban area a few streets back from the famous beach.
David was left in coma for seven months and his parents flew him back to Ireland in a coma. He is now confined to a wheelchair and his life changed forever.
Tongan Thomas Isaako is serving a 14-year jail sentence over the attack.
Today Tongan Kane Desmond Tupuolamoui was arrested in Darwin charged with David's bashing. Two other people have been charged with lesser offences in connection with the assault, probably of Tongan origin.
These violent thugs claim to be New Zealanders, but then New Zealand accepts many Tongan nationals who use New Zealand as a staging base to then migrate to Australia.
I can think of no reason why any foreigner in any country if convicted of serious crime should not be immediately deported to country of origin at the cost of the country of origin. Such ought to apply to convicted Tongan Thomas Isaako and to his co-accusers if found guilty.
New Zealand needs to start being accountable for its wave of violent immigrants instead of hand balling its ethic violence problems across the Tasman to Australia to deal with.
Tongan violence in Australia is a systemic ethnic problem. It is a problem in New Zealand and Australia. It deserves a special police task force and investigation.
Only Australians in Australian gaols!
Auto-deport foreign criminals now!
Empty our gaols of foreign criminals now!
Sources:
'Man charged over David Keohane assault', RTE News, 16th July 2010.
'Arrest over attack on Irish backpacker', AAP, 15th July 2010
'They caught the %#@*', www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com
Immigration>Property inflation and global overpopulation
Injured Joey.
International students don't have to be here!
little sylvie
Human herding instinct
Real estate sign
So many myths, so little time to refute them
Foreign investors in Australia's property market
Newsletter from MILES Real Estate. FOREIGN INVESTMENT - WHAT'S THE POLICY?
The Government claims that its approach is to encourage foreign investment consistent with community interests. It claims that foreign investment provides scope for higher rates of economic activity and employment, higher than could be achieved from domestic levels of savings.
However, the Government also says that is recognises community concerns about foreign ownership of Australian assets. Therefor one of its objectives is to balance these concerns against the strong economic benefits to Australia that arise from foreign investment ...........
The changes mean that foreign investors may only purchase new housing stock and temporary residents may only purchase existing housing for use while they reside in Australia (and must sell the property when their residency concludes).....
Aquisitions of certain types of property do not require notification regardlenss of the citizenship of residency status of the purchaser. These properties are:
Visit FIRB for further information
Debate continues over how foreign investment impacts our economy, how it affects housing availability and affordability.
As a mother of two adults, both excluded from home ownership due to impossibly high prices, just how are we to be comforted by "higher rates of economic activity" and "employment"? What employment? What are the "strong economic benefits to Australia from foreign investment"?
Vendors are happy to raise the prices, but what good is all this extra economic activity when we see rising homelessness, prices outside the average pay packet, and property being owned by foreigners when they should be passed to the next generation of Australians, and foreigners with one foot in the door to residence in already overcrowded Australia?
We don't have to be subservient to the Economy, and defer to "higher rates of economic activity". The Economy doesn't have a life of its own, and we don't exist for the sake of economic growth, at all costs!
The Economy should be our servant, to support our existence and our lifestyles, not become our Master, to "grow" to our disadvantage!
Overpopulation
Charming orangutans
Canberra must grow, but not native kangaroos
Is John Kelly related to Martin Bryant?
Japan imperialism extends to Australian waters - crap!
Gillard in Rudd Drag - all electioneering rhetoric and no action
Birth right is just that, but residency status is a contract
To immigrant 'Motekiai' comment above:
Dig out your copy of Australian Citizenship and read the obligations to Australia and its people.
Those who arrive and accept residency and citizenship have a moral obligation to respect and obey Australian law. So those who then are convicted in Australia of a serious crime have automatically breached their right to remain in Australia and need to be automatically deported to their country of origin.
Same ought to apply to overseas countries including to Australians in overseas countries.
The vicious machete slaughter of Kesley Burgess in Sydney's south-west suburb of Lurnea on 3rd July 2010 by four men described by police superintendent Worboys as of Pacific Islander appearance, if caught and convicted and found to be immigrants must be immediately deported to the South Pacific nation they came from (ie were born). Immigrant have no birth right once they abandon their country of birth - universal golden rule!
Read article:
Chopped to death trying to 'fight for his family' [4th Jul 2010]
Population growth denial compatible with "social justice"?
Brumby government environmentally destructive
Wildlife destruction
Population growth is considered irrelevant
Population Growth
catch limit
Population growth is considered irrelevant
Why does Greenpeace have Bronwyn Pike on its board?
Myths about overpopulation
Madonna King
State MPs hostage to developers
Too many racists accusations against US!
Phone American Dissident
Belgium set to become the first European country to ban burka
Border Security issues?
Greens must have seen possum footage
"Use" of Brush Tail Possums in Tasmania
Hype on refugees
Refugees take Public Housing from Australians.
Population growth not essential for economic health
Pete Bethune gets 2 year suspended sentence
DSE are responsible for wildlife and environment
Refugees take public housing from Australians
Third World population growth rates and homelessness crisis
Rudd's political consciousness began to form after his father was killed in a car accident in 1968. Rudd was 11. Because his dad was a share farmer, the family were thrown off the land and he vividly remembers having to sleep in a car with his mother and siblings as she desperately sought accommodation.
He later remarked that he thought then that nobody should have to go through such an experience.
Where's this man's integrity, empathy, compassion?
However, many people are suffering a similar fate, thanks to his boosting of immigration at a time when our cities are already full, and house prices were already under stress.
The number of homeless people seeking help from the Salvation Army has surged by 65 per cent in New South Wales and doubled in the ACT since the global financial crisis took hold, the charity has found. In western Sydney and western NSW, the number of homeless people asking for help has risen by between 80 and 85 per cent.
Homelessness surges as GFC continues to bite
It's easier, and more politically correct, to blame the GFC than politicians who simply lack leadership skills and prefer to bend to demands of a consumer-based growth economy than the welfare of citizens!
A review has found an almost-30 per cent rise in three years in people most urgently needing Housing Trust accommodation in South Australia. About 230,000 Australians officially wait in queues for accommodation.
Victoria's Auditor-General has found low-income Victorians are waiting up to seven years for access to social housing.
The big end of town are making millions from the property market, while average Australians are facing mortgage stress, rising rates, out-of-reach housing prices or homelessness. With our population growth rates at a Third World rate, Australia is losing its prosperity, not gaining it!
Big Business will get its way
Peak oil- why invest in future white elephants?
The Sustainable Population minister
Big population means big taxes and higher charges
If no action on a 'Big Australia' Gillard will be a Rudd in Drag
Re: Comment above from 'Friend of Julia G' 3rd July 2010 'Ivory tower newspaper economists should take hike'...
Gillard's down playing of Rudd's 'Big Australia' threat needs to be met with actions, else its just Labor Right-inspired rhetoric to claw back Australia's political centre, as a hollow gesture to outwit Abbot's Coalition ahead of a looming election. [Read: 'Gillard moves to annex the centre', 3rd July 2010 in The Australian].
Yes, 'growth economists' - those who advocate 'growth is good', 'growth can only be good' and 'population growth is good because it grows the economy', blinkeredly ignore the cause and effects outside their narrow economic mindset.
Growth economists conveniently leave the social and environmental consequences out of their modelling. They ideologically reject the balanced scorecard principle of Triple Bottom Line which receives little airing these days - the tests of economic, social and environmental sustainability.
Growth economists are anti-social. They ignore the social consequences of excessive growth - higher demand, scarcer goods and services, higher costs of living, increased congestion, housing unaffordability, urban sprawl, social problems, etc. They don't care and so what they advocate is one-sided and destructive and so menacing.
Growth economists are anti-environmental. They ignore the environmental consequences of excessive growth - higher pollution emissions, urban sprawl, increased use of natural resources, increased waste, increased threats on flora a fauna. They don't care and so what they advocate is one-sided and destructive and so menacing.
The quote by The Australian newspaper economics editor, Michael Stutchbury (28th June 2010) that "Australia has plenty of room for 40 million people if we manage it properly, whatever the new Prime Minister says" is growthist extremism.
Stutchbury needs to get out more. He needs to spend time in overcrowded Shanghai living on an average Shanghai wage and commuting like the locals for say 3 months. Then return to Australia and to try to convince Australians to live like Chinese in Shanghai!
I refer to you my previous article on CanDoBetter highlighting the effects of a big Australia, 'Rudd's 'Big Australia' driving up costs of living and creating poorer Australians'
If Gilliard does no more than rhetoric on Australia's population/immigration growth, on political credibility Gillard risks becoming a 'Rudd in drag'.
Kangaroo "cull" operated by stealth, not science
Motekiai
Ivory tower newspaper economists should take hike
Jennings wrong re Pennicuik's science 'amateur'
Gillard's Rush to Expediently Dilute her Record of Incompetence.
Gillard's Labor Right divide and conquer tactic all about image
Colonists are feral invaders and rapists, so should be evicted
Are there any group MORE UN-AUSTRALIAN and COLONIAL than these?
Another call by Agforce to shoot juvenile kangaroos
By the way, this is who Nebuchadnezzar was
It's Only The Herald Sun but they're calling us Gullible Dummies
Reply to Robert
Australians are culturally intolerant of arrogance
Keep Australia beautiful and protect our heritage
How did candobetter cartoonist predict Rudd's expulsion
Where is Senator Penny Wong?
Size matters - more likely to end up in a museum
Recover Data
Great minds are not necessarily devoid of faith
Sanitising of language a clever ploy
Keep pushing
reply to J williams
Population growth ignored in Rudd's popularity downfall
We need more blatant ads like this one if it is
Ethical spirituality is a free choice - 'religion' being one
In reply to Milly above, there are many religions that prescribe a belief system based upon a deity. I need not list the hundreds of versions in which each think they are the divine one respectively above all others. Some feel a deity is mandatory to have faith. I personally disagree, but each to their own, I say.
I don't deny people to have their choice of faith. I reject evangelism and unethical practices and faiths that exclude outsiders.
I reject the faith vacuum-filling argument, that suggests that by not maintaining allegiance to Christianity, other faiths like Islam or Buddhism will fill the faith vacuum. That is religious narrow-minded scaremongering.
Having said that, Sharia law which is tied to the Islamic religion, is anathema to Australian moral values. (Not Islam per se, but Sharia law). For instance, just on the principle of gender equality, Sharia law fails Australian generally accepted moral standards, let alone the many more liberal social freedoms generally accepted and valued in Australian society.
So by Sharia law being permitted in Australia, then Australia would be inviting two incompatible legal systems within one national jurisdiction, which would be impossible to administer and enforce. If such anathema laws were introduced then why would traditional Solomon Islands traditional cannibalism law not be equally possible? The precedent for anarchy would have been set and Australian discrimination tribunals would attract a queue a mile long.
Indeed, my recent spoof of a faith based on 'Free Love' should also get up, so to speak!
But there are other forms of ethical spirituality which fit within Australian social values which are personal, non evangelistic and certainly not dangerous. It is not for me to tout any of these. Google will quickly reveal many harmless but spiritually meaningful options.
Atheism and skepticism are two intelligent philosophies to start investigating choices of faith, since they are faith neutral and question everything. One can then lean to a choice of faith or spirituality of one's own preference.
Apply tests of morality, ethics, freedom and humanity and these will serve well in any exploration into spirituality.
Generically, this link is a helpful unbiased place for starters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
Some people don't see a need for faith or spirituality. Others do. Again, each to their own. We Australians are renown for being a tolerant society.
Health and safety rules must not discriminate