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Dick Smith Population Puzzle
Roadkill
Guide To Voting against Immigration/ Population And...
Poverty promoted by religious organisations
The meek shall inherit the earth?
So a distant cousin, Julius, needles my blunt tone yet concurs with my message. Does he have nothing constructive to contribute?
The subject matter is one of recurring global calamity, perpetually ignored and assigned to the too hard basket - overpopulation in underdeveloped countries contributing to systemic widespread malnutrition and famine.
It is not a subject for polite reflection. I do not include the word 'please' in my article, likewise I have no respect for those with capacity to address the systemic causes - the wealthy developed nations and their religious charities - yet allow the problem to perpetuate.
A long time ago some religious evangelist prophesised: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." [Matthew 5:5]. It was about keeping the downtrodden downtrodden.
More useful are those who act:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” - Theodore Roosevelt (US President 1901-1909).
Dick Smith population show on ABC1 tonight
Dick Smith's Population Puzzle is on ABC 1 9.30 p.m. tonight. Find out about it on the ABC interactive webpage at http://www.abc.net.au/tv/populationpuzzle/
Ag Minister Joe Helper unhelpful, should go
Gillard gov must act against forest destruction
Where will Australian climate refugees go?
The Coalition has at least
People afraid of "vacant" land?
Animals
John Marlowe needs to tone it down
you'll never stop roadkill
The Greens are calling for climate refugee status
The Voluntary Human extinction movement..
tasmania
Me too
Green Brand Political Parties
The Greens ambivalent on population
Slaughter of dogongs and turtles continues
im spanish and have reached
It's a hot potato
Tasmania's violent and destructive legacy continues
Our evolutionary destiny?
Many different kinds of marriage
Why should gays imitate Marriage?
Immigration quota needs to factor in the subsequent birth trend
Massedon Ranges: Important Bushfire Meeting tonight (Mon)
One baby in four born to migrants: Number of foreign-born mother
Pathetic Indeed
Re editorial Comment & Apparent Censorship
Population debate is pathetic: Ferguson
bank balance, not ecological balance
Reform Information
Immigration - Social Harm
Need for Constitutional Change
Brown Mountain Judgment next Weds 11 August Supreme Court
Two tier? Where to from here?
Two tier? Where to from here?
Does anyone have insight into the views and policies of the various parties and both the party aligned and independent candidates on this subject.
From time to time one hears whispers, for example the other day I learned that Senator Nick Minchin holds federalist ideals. I supported Howard's attempts to assume management of the Murray Darling Basin and K Rudd’s desire to assume Federal governance of the nation's health system as steps in the right direction.
With an election looming it would be nice to know the position of our various pollies on this subject particularly in the Senate.
As John Marlowe says the two major parties are more concerned with seeking re election than necessarily providing the best direction for the country.
I never vote above the line in the Senate and I have had a gutful of waste, duplication and eternal bitching. I would consider designing my senate vote in the forthcoming election on a preferential system designed on this issue regardless of party persuasion but the research to determine the leanings of the individual candidates is a massive task.
Toxic development on historic and sensitive bushland
Biodiversity, species extinction : Tweed Shire
Human groups are far more complex than livestock
Utopian and business ideals are imposed on populations without considering the nature and willingness of the human species, and by considering them a simply a resource, like livestock, to manipulate, impose upon, and expect them to comply.
We have business pro-growth groups, with bipartisan support from political parties, who want continual population growth, without considering our fragile and limited environment, without considering that the great majority do not want higher density living and larger cities, and without considering the social and financial impacts.
There are mega cities in the world, with sprawling tentacles across their landscape, however, those that are successful have highly monolithic cultures and homogeneous populations. Cities such as Hong Kong, Singapore and in Japan are monocultures.
Our leaders, supported by these pro-growth businesses, want high density populations as well as multi-culturalism.
The ideals imposed on populations by the UN (non discrimination and human rights) look Utopian, but they hide wider agendas and ignore the limitations and the psychology of humans groups.
We read of increasing violence and crimes in our cities, and "racist" attacks. The stresses of coping with a divided society, and ramped population growth, show that our society is stressed to the core.
Human groups are far more complex, and have many more needs and dimensions than the simple requirements of livestock that can simply added to paddocks. However, overstocking paddocks will have negative impacts too, and negative returns.
I am not an international citizen. I am Australian
Quite right James. "Mass immigration is a denial of the rights of the people in the existing community regardless of their racial origin and regardless of the racial origin of the immigrants."
In response to Milly, yes, the UNHCR aims to promote "human rights" but does a crap job. It has a despicable record of failure (Rwanda in 1994), slow response (Bosnia 1992 to 1995, North Pakistan right now!), turning a blind eye (Burma, North Korea, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Kyrgyzstan) and complicity in persecution (Palestine, Sri Lanka). [Read More]
Utopian ideals like "the belief that the world is now ready to accept a "global civic ethic" based on "a set of core values that can unite people of all cultural, political, religious, or philosophical backgrounds" is also crap.
Many cultures are morally mutually exclusive. Female cultural equality in Australia is incompatible with female oppression and persecution in Saudi Arabia and Sudan for instance. Unrestricted mingling is a consequence of socio-political problem avoidance. Civil unrest in a country is allowed to remain unresolved and to fester and build until civil war breaks out, then the populous flees to another country. The ruling powers argue for international intervention to stay out for reasons of it being a matter of its 'internal affairs'. Yet refugees then become external affairs. The socio-political problem is geographically shifted instead of being contained within the country.
I am not an international citizen. I am Australian. When I work hard, build a house and a comfortable lifestyle, it is not up for grabs by others. Those lucky to have a choice certainly should help others that don't have choices, but not give up their homes in the process.
Re Two Tier Government I really thought……
Lamentation from the Petulant Prince
Of course none of the
Of course none of the
Mass immigration denies rights of people in receiving country
Mass immigration is a denial of the rights of the people in the existing community regardless of their racial origin and regardless of the racial origin of the immigrants.
At other times in history, people other than Europeans have similarly sufferred as a result of mass immigration. This fact doesn't justify the way predominantly European inhabitants of countries like Australia are now being treated little better than people in other societies that suffered mass immigration in previous centuries as part of the process of colonisation.
Birch, his foresight and his recognition of animals
Julia Gillard the atheist
two-tier government
UN aim to promote "human rights", immigration and one government
Kangaroos on collision course in Morisset peninsula
Perth muslim woman pushing the boundaries of tolerance
Australian tolerance is being abused by excessive immigration
Thanks Valerie. I too am
Invitation to Westerfield Protest Community Event - Saturday
Subject: Saturday afternoon event at Westerfield's
You are invited to an exciting community-building event at Westerfield's (MEL 103 C11), planned by some of the young people who have so impressed us with their passion to protect our environmental heritage. Please circulate this invitation to your networks. The weather forecast is good, and we're on rain or shine!
Saturday August 7th from 12.00pm.
Westerfield's Reserve: Campfire at the back fence. BYO chair and some food to share.
12.00pm Community Picnic: Bring food to share.
1.00pm Symphony with the wildflowers: A space to informally share songs, music, stories, poems and sentiments to honour Westerfield's, her custodians and the caring community
2.00pm From Despair to Empowerment: Creating a space to gather together in solidarity for the challenges ahead. Community sharing circle, campaign update, creative ideas building plus art space and Community Mural.
3.00pm Close with Healing Meditation
3:15pm Guided walk through the property
Gillian Collins
Pines Protectors
Frankston North
Victoria 3200
0414 309 960
Australia as a racist nation - another form of manipulation!
Bushfire risks to continue
You think 173 people burnt alive will change Brumby?
People smuggling is a LibLab distraction from economic migrants
Dear Joan,
My response to your first comment 'Immigration' [2nd August 2010] was not intended as a personal attack. If you took it as such I apologise to you. I see no need for personal agendas to distract from any issue. What does ego have to gain in any issue debate?
It is what you wrote that I criticised, particularly since it conveys a mainstream perspective which is misguided - that asylum seekers comprise anything more than a minuscule contribution to Australia's immigration largesse. Read my response again!
In your comment you highlighted both the tired over-hyped people smuggling issue and about Visa over-stayers. These issues are so unimportant as a proportion of the immigration numbers. They comprise less than 1% of the overall problem, so why waste time focusing on it and by distracting others from the real 99% problem of Australia's Economic Migrants?
Such sub-issue red herrings only play into the distractive political agenda of LibLabs and their selfish growthist agenda.
Check your facts and if you can't handle criticism of your argument, stick to the issue.
Public commentators (including us bloggers) must take criticism if they dish it. Criticism my argument all you want, but keep to the issue.
Immigration.
LibLabs sell Australian citizenship like they sell Aussie assets
Damn bloody right!
LibLabs sell Australian citizenship like they sell Aussie assets!
Look at foreign ownership of corporations, natural resources, property across Australia!
Citizenship in Australia and indeed any country is a privilege with moral and legal obligations accepted by foreigners into their new host country and its people.
But breach those obligations and foreigners must show cause to otherwise forgo their citizenship rights.
Yet LibLabs sell Australian citizenship like they sell Aussie assets.
Why are foreigners rejecting assimilation in Australia?
Why are foreigners allowed to perpetuate ghettos like the Jews do in St Ives, the Pacific Islanders do in Logan, the Lebanese do in Lakemba, the Indians do in Harris Park, the Vietnamese do in Springvale and Richmond?
Australia's national language is English, so why are these foreigners permitted non-English shop signage and to overwhelm areas with their high concentration of numbers?
Why are foreigners taking up space in Australian gaols?
LibLabs sell Australian citizenship like they sell Aussie assets
Look at the number of foreigners branch-stacked into MP appointments!
[Queensland has no Upper House]
Immigrant influence and political power only grows and increasingly dominates as more arrive and assert and impose their own cultures.
Why spend any more than 1% of time on people smuggling?
Claims that we need to emulate Canadian "immigration miracle"
Toleration of people smuggling will make system unworkable
Why waste effort on 1% of the immigration problem?
Neither 'Small Australia' nor aboriginal defenders 'racist'
Have you noticed how the cultural elites who promote "Big Australia" are often the same people who attach themselves to indigenous rights?
How is it that Aborigines who tried to defend their land are seen as heroes (rightfully in my mind) but Australians today who fight the "Big Australia" vision of corporate interests and cultural elites are declared "racist" and "economically illiterate" (without ever justifying or articulating their own arguments for economic immigration)?
How do we translate majority opinion into political power? (besides boycotting the Lib/Lab pantomime for a start!)
Greater tolerance of alternative views on immigration, please.
Citizenship in Australia is too cheap and easy
There are many privileges in becoming an Australian citizens. The following are the only obligations:
- Pledge loyalty to Australia and its people;
- Share in Australia’s democratic beliefs;
- Respect other Australian citizens’ rights and liberties; and
- Uphold and obey the laws of Australia.
New citizens should be under probation. Car drivers must be under probation for 3 years, so Citizenship also should be, and the impacts of not complying with these few obligations could be more wide and perverse than breaking those of a probationary driver. Any abuse of our generous welfare system should immediately mean a revoking of citizenship.
People accepting Australian citizenship should deny citizenship to any other country when their probationary is over. Any indications that immigrants commit crimes, try an impose another type of government (such as sharia law) or who directly challenge our ideals should be deported.
Citizenship to Australia should not come cheap and easy!
Climate change, overpopulation, not "refugees"
Asylum seekers only 1% of Australia's immigration problem!
Clearly Joan in her comment above is either ignorant or just another misguided lemming* following the media spin about asylum seekers as if their less than 1% of immigration was serious.
If Joan cared to read my opening paragraph she may get the message that economic migrants comprised the 99% immigration problem. The facts are 99% of Australia's immigrants are economic migrants arriving by plane to mainly Melbourne and Sydney. If the media started filming this flood perhaps slower members of the public may start realising this is the real problem.
The issue has nothing to do with the few thousand people fleeing persecution and civil conflict. The asylum seeker issue is one of regional conflict. It is an humanitarian issue of the countries concerned. That people are forced to flee is a consequence of UNHCR neglect and failure to resolve and contain the problem within the countries concerned. The consequence is that the people themselves are given little choice but to flee and so the problem is handballed.
Australia's excessive immigration problem on the other is one of successive LibLab government active policy of selling Australian jobs to foreigners with economic means. Economic migrants continue to arrive in droves by plane at the invitation of LibLab governments in order to reap Australia's socio-economic wealth. Economic migrants are indeed those who have immense choice and they are exercising it at the expense of local Australians.
No more obvious is migrant displacement of Australians in the workplace than in government jobs. The public service is dominated by economic migrants. Yours truly has been on the receiving end of this displacement. Joan cites Strathfield, but look at Parramatta, Sydney's ethnic work hub, where the NSW Government is progressively transferring its many departments. Parramatta has become the migrant capital for well paid public service jobs.
*The "lemming suicide plunge' was first espoused in a 1958 Walt Disney movie, 'Wild Wilderness' showing lemmings mass suiciding off a cliff. While the origins of the myth are false, the myth has useful application. People that unquestioningly follow and believe what the read and see in the media may be likened to the lemming suicide plunge myth. Joan needs to question her lemming tendencies.
Bubonic plague in Peru, despite economic growth
response to "over-population" on refugees
Over-population
Immigration.
SPCA: Calf killing could harm dairy reputation
Urban population growth
Dairy industry is the largest water user
ABARE: Water use in the dairy processing industry "it should be noted in that period (2004/5) the largest water use within the agriculture industry was for dairy farming which used 1,710 GL or 52% of total agricultural water use, and that agriculture overall accounted for 66% of total Victorian water consumption....
Some dairy plants are located in communities without abundant potable water sources and can have a major draw on the local fresh water resources."
"The largest uses of water within the agriculture industry (WA) were for livestock (156 GL), sugar (152 GL), dairy farming (54 GL) and vegetables (52 GL)". See other States too!
Abbott confusing economic immigration with "border protection"
No end to this
The alternative of population growth is decline!
Phase out high irrigation-dependent agriculture on marginal land
Re: Milly's comment above 'Livestock is much more prolific water guzzler than rice'[30th July 2010]:
Australia's three key agricultural issues are:
1. Not just the water usage by agriculture per se, but the relative water volume diverted from natural river flows and downstream dependent ecosystems by irrigation. (e.g. sugar cane in coastal Far North Queensland receives high rainfall and so although a high water user, would not impact ecology to the extent that cotton or rice does in marginal rainfall areas like the Murray Darling);
2. The selfish planting of crop types that are thirsty, fertiliser-dependent (polluting) and high energy demanding in locations that are environentally marginal and cause considerable adverse impact to ecology;
3. The sale of Australia's large unsustainable agricultural businesses to foreigners, making Australia beholden to foreign interests in the pursuit of ecologically unsustainable agriculture.
The message is to start phasing out high irrigation-dependent agriculture on marginal land. It is killing Australia's ecology. It is artificial and inappropriate and when triple bottom line costed, it is unprofitable.
Yes, it is indeed worth analysing which crops and pasture are extravagant irrigated water users (not just rainwater users), making such crops and pastures unsustainable in the fragile marginal areas of Australia.
Dairy and livestock may well use more water than rice, but is this water sourced as rainfall? If so it may not be as big an impact.
Whereas, rice such as that grown at Cubby Station is located in marginal land in the Murray-Darling basin and is wholly dependent on irrigation. Such irrigation saps the life giving natural water flows into the Murray-Darling.
Conversely, dairy in high rainfall areas of Victorian and NSW may not be causing the same degree of environmental impact. This is worth investigation, since it is not just the absolute water usage per se, but the percentage of water usage relative to the natural intermittent and seasonal needs of dependent natural systems.
Milly, it would be beneficial to quote your data sources, else how do we know the accuracy of your stated figures?.
One reliable source of agricultural statistics in respect to water use is the Australian Government's Natural Water Commission.
On its website under the heading of Agricultural Water Use, it provides rather old figures from 2005, yet these may not have changed significantly in the subsequent five years so probably prove useful indicators.
In summary it highlights:
A. Australian agriculture accounts for 65% all human water consumption
B. 91% of this water is used for irrigation of crops and pastures, while 9% is used for livestock, dairy, piggeries, etc.
C. Rice and cotton crops have significantly reduced 3/4 in Australia due to less water availability and drought
D. While high users of water such as livestock/pasture/grains took 36% of the irrigated water, they contributed only 4% of the gross value of Australia's total agricultural production. Whereas vegetables used 4% of irrigation yet contributed 21% toward Australia's gross agricultural production.
[Source: Water Account, Australia, 2004–05]
This begs the questions: Why allocate a high percentage of Australia's scarce valuable irrigated water to low yielding choices of agriculture?
Also, why allocate Australia's scarce valuable irrigated water to crop types that are no essential such as grapes?
Why allocate Australia's scarce valuable irrigated water to crops grown in marginal lands that cause high impact on Australia's fragile ecosystems, when such crops are more naturally and sustainably grown overseas? To do otherwise is not only unsustainable, it is selfish.
Agriculture should not be grown in fragile marginal lands where rainfall is inadequate to sustain them. Irrigation should only be an emergency support not the core life-giving source to crops.
what gets you through the night
Net Useful vs. Net Consumptive
RSPCA Shame
Admirable job !!
Anna Bligh's leadership and governance shortfalls
Business journos promote maddest growth policies
"And while neither side of politics is game to say it, that's a necessary thing. Otherwise we'd be in danger of a severe case of the Dutch disease, suffer immediate labor and skills shortages that would cause inflation, resulting in higher interest rates designed to slow the economy and increase unemployment. The pessimistic souls who claim we can't support more people despite being a major food exporter and barely beginning to price water properly might rejoice in Australia missing the present window of opportunity for a series of major investment opportunities, but most would not. Gen Y and X would find themselves paying substantially more tax in a few years or Baby Boomers would be in for a much poorer retirement. (Actually, that last bit will probably happen anyway – but it would be worse.)" (Source: Michael Pascoe, "Mongoose Politics," The AgeJuly 26, 2010Don't we already suffer from a sever case of the Dutch Disease? We export commodities which causes our dollar to rise due to current high prices for some of them, which weakens our manufacturing sector (both for domestic needs and for exports). The rest of us not involved in the mining boost subsist on the coat-tails of the resultant real-estate boom. Is there any balance and depth to our economy? The beating of the drums regarding the myth about inflation has become much louder this year, but some journalists are more honest and talk about a wages breakout as a consequence of reduced immigration. Does anyone have inflation figures for the past 20 years. It would be good to see net overseas migration (both in numbers of people and a percentage of population) Versus inflation rate (1990-2010). I would guess that there is no relation. Further a comparison with Australia's inflation rate with averages of Western Europe and the USA, would probably show a much better correlation. - but I would like to have the charts in front of me to make sure! Perhaps Michael Pascoe would be an ideal candidate to live alone on an isolated desert island with a coffin full of cash, I am sure that would present him with a "window of opportunity for a series of major investment opportunities", failing that he can rest in the coffin and see what eventually happens.
Livestock is much more prolific water guzzler than rice
Australian sovereignty needs to be an ongoing election issue
Australian sovereignty needs to be an ongoing election issue. Immigration, foreign ownership of Australia's natural resources, arable land and public assets; environmental damage by foreign corporations, foreign whaling in Australian waters, illegal immigrants and foreigners taking Australian jobs and making housing unaffordable to ordinary Australians are all issues of Australian sovereignty.
The Nationals and Greens are right that all foreign purchases of land, water and natural resources must be registered. But don't just record it, restrict it. Put conditions on it, put limits on it. Try being a foreigner in China and purchasing land and see how far you get! The LibLabs are selling the national farm and are making Australia a mug in the eyes of the world.
If only the Nationals and the Greens could compromise, their coalition would be the best outcome for all Australians and the natural environment.
LibLab are 20th Century 'has-been' self-centric boomers. They are elitist city-centric growthists pandering to big business, to property developers, to foreigners and to the US - i.e all their wealthy mates!
The narrow-minded cult of globalisation seeks to undo all Australia's national independence and competitive advantage. It would have Australia abandon all import tariffs, abandon the visa system, adopt the US dollar as our currency, wind up border protection and quarantine, adopt the US constitution and become the 53rd state of the US! Then the Republicrats* would send all their illegals and unwanteds here! The British in the 18th Century euphenistically labelled it 'transportation'.
May be we need an Australian Sovereignty Party.
They'd get my vote every time!
* Republicrats is the term that recognises the US Republican Party and the Democratic Party as being two factions of the boomer growthist pro-globalisation ideology - equivalent to the Australian LibLabs.
Builders have had it too good for too long