East Ukraine

Video: Ukrainian town resists 4th conscription attempt by Kiev military

Sat, 2015-02-14 19:43 by Anonymous

Tonight (14 February 2015) SBS TV news₁ made a terribly biased report of events in Donetsk (East Ukraine). In the most unprofessional manner they reported that a weapon had been launched onto a kindergarten playground in East Ukraine and they allowed people to think that this had been sent by the East Ukrainians fighting the Kiev government, although it was obvious they had no evidence of this. They then showed President Poroshenko insisting on television that Russia was supplying soldiers and arms to East Ukraine, however, as usual, he gave no details or evidence. He appears, as expected, to be undermining the Minsk attempts at peace, in an effort to please the United States. And Australian television is amplifying this propaganda. The video inside this article shows how things really are on the ground. It is extremely hard to find anyone East or West, who wants to fight for the Kiev Government against the East Ukranian independence efforts.

The video, "Ukrainian Town Resists 4th Conscription Attempt", is around 5 minutes long. It appears at http://www.ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com/page/27039.html" The written Commentary in this article is by an unknown author. Provenance email.

Apparently, the rally in this video rally and several like it were organized by the Kiev military to convince locals to submit to mobilization, and the whole thing blew up in their face. The fourth wave of forced conscription in Ukraine is going very poorly. The most extreme case, as of February 9 was in a small town by Odessa, where hundreds of enraged locals surrounded the soldiers, took away their rifles, and burned the conscription papers.
Video (around 5 mins):

Ukrainian Town Resists 4th Conscription Attempt

The United States has been providing the Kiev regime with military training, and there are already American boots on the ground, ostensibly to "strengthen the rule of Law."

The US has been bolstering a government that has declared war on its own people, and is rapidly closing off all legal means of dissent - charging political opponents with "treason," banning political parties, and unleashing ultra-nationalist mobs on anyone who daresdissent. (How do ya like them Tax Dollars?)

Significantly, no representatives of the US government were present during the 17-hour ceasefire talks recently held between the current Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko, Russian President, Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor, Angela Merkel and French President François Hollande, who agreed to a ceasefire starting in three days, February 15, 2015.

These talks would not have happened, were it not for the courage and will of the Ukrainian people, themselves, as seen in the video below.

This extemporaneous dressing-down, of the Kiev Military Recruiter, by a local East Ukrainian woman, in front of her townspeople is absolutely priceless!

Here's a tasty morsel:

WOMAN: "You say there are enemies there? You go fight them, we have no enemies there!They're our people there, best friends and family! Why do you conscript people? We'retired of listening to the poison on TV! How much longer must we endure the propagandalies?

Do you think we're all idiots, here?! Do you think people are sheep, that you can lie to us and scare us and we'll do what we're told? No! We're tired of it! We will also defend ourselves!

CROWD: Well said!

WOMAN: Quit ruining our families, our human lives! Enough, already! Look at Donetsk and what's going on, there. The poor people are hiding in cellars, hungry - and Russia sends them humanitarian aid! Did Kiev send them any food?! Did it send them anything, at all?! They're sitting there, without electricity, heating or food. Why are they suffering? What for?! They've lived their whole lives there.

They built the place! Have you built anything, at all there, during the 23 years of "independence"?! You only know how to destroy! Show us something you've built!

Appendix: transcript of SBS report

Fighting has raged in Ukraine, throwing doubts on a ceasefire deal due to take effect over the weekend, as the US said Russia was still deploying heavy arms.

Critical footnotes are included below - Ed

Source:AFP

14 Feb 2015 - 6:14 PM

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said the continuing bombardment of civilians in eastern Ukraine by pro-Russian separatist rebels₂ was already undermining the peace plan reached in Minsk on Thursday.

At least 28 civilians and soldiers were reported killed in Friday's upsurge in fighting.

"Unfortunately after the Minsk agreement, Russia's offensive₃ has significantly increased. We still think that the agreement is in great danger," Poroshenko said during a meeting with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

"After what we concluded in Minsk, these are not only attacks against civilians but also against the Minsk agreement."

The ceasefire, due to take effect from midnight on Saturday (Sunday AEDT), will be the first test of the commitment by Kiev and pro-Russian separatists to the freshly-inked peace plan.

But with separatists fighting to conquer more territory ahead of the truce and Kiev forces digging in, there are fears over whether anyone will observe the truce, considered vital to the success of the peace roadmap.

The United States said it believed Russia was continuing to deploy heavy weapons₃ ahead of the ceasefire.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the United States had received reports of heavy weapons being moved into eastern Ukraine from Russia over the past few days, and more apparently on the way.

"This is clearly not in the spirit of this week's agreement," Psaki told reporters.

She said the Russian military had deployed large amounts of artillery and multiple rocket launcher systems and was using them to shell Ukrainian positions.₃

Friday's fresh fighting came after rebels and Kiev agreed to the wide-ranging plan on Thursday following marathon talks in the Belarussian between the leaders of Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned Russia that the EU, which has already slapped Moscow with sanctions over the crisis, is not ruling out further measures if the truce fails.

The fragile agreement was seen as the best hope of ending the conflict, which has killed at least 5,480 people and ratcheted East-West tensions to highs not seen since the Cold War, but scepticism remains high after the collapse of a similar previous peace plan.

The new Minsk agreement is broadly similar to an earlier failed deal in September, except that the new heavy weapons-free zone will be 50 to 140km-wide, depending on the range of the weapon, double the width of the buffer zone agreed in September.

Kiev will also begin retaking control over the approximately 400km stretch of Russia's border with rebel-held Ukraine, but only after local elections are held.

Separatist-held territories will be granted a degree of autonomy to be established through talks.

Footnotes

1. ↑ See: Ukraine fighting kills 28, ceasefire looms (SBS News, 14 Feb 15). Transcript included above as Appendix. Footnotes, critical of the SBS report, are include below.

2. ↑ As also noted above in the teaser, claims by Poroshenko and a spokesperson for the Ukraine Army that the East Ukraine Self-defence Forces are bombarding the very civilians who support them is reported here uncritically by SBS news.

3. ↑ As alluded to above in the teaser, the lie that the Russian Army is directly participating in the war in Ukraine has been repeated ad nauseum for months now by the likes of President Barack Obama, Secretary of State Kerry, the Ukrainian regime and their allies and duly reported by all the Western Mainstream media including SBS. I have yet to see SBS News point out to its viewers that no evidence to support this claim has ever been produced.

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International students send aid to Donbass, oppose Kiev and U.S.-backed war

Tue, 2015-01-20 01:17 by admin

This article was originally published on Fightback!news on 31 December 2014. See also: Feeling of 'solid Western support' behind Kiev's renewed assault on Donbass on RT. For more news on the fight by the people of of Donbass against the Kiev regime, read other Fightback! articles on Ukraine or visit the #Donbass Twitter page. Article also includes 2 embedded videos: Ukraine: Helping rebuild homes (7/1/15) (2:57) and Donbass under fire: Separatists (27/12/14) (58:12)

After the U.S.-backed fascist coup in Kiev, Ukraine in February 2014, the people of Donbass rebelled for independence from Ukraine. A popular anti-fascist resistance quickly emerged. The breakaway state of Novorossiya, or New Russia, was formed and Kiev sent in troops and tanks to crush the people's resistance. Civil war gripped the country. Now, almost a year later, while the resistance soldiers on, a humanitarian disaster perpetuated by the Kiev government's war of aggression has struck the citizens of Donbass.

International Students Aid to Donbass, based in Wroclaw, Poland, is one of many aid groups springing up across the world in solidarity with the ongoing resistance and the victimized people of Eastern Ukraine.

Sanela Bajrasambasic, ICRC (Red
Cross) delegate appeals for aid to
help Donbass residents rebuild
homes bombed by Kiev regime
(see embedded video)

Fight Back! interviewed one of the founders of International Students Aid to Donbass (ISAD), who wished to remain anonymous.

Fight Back!: Can you explain about the student organization generally?

ISAD student: Sure. The idea for creating a solidarity with Donbass group which could coordinate humanitarian assistance emerged in October when a handful of international students in Wroclaw some of whom had been activists back in their home countries, wanted to find a way to aid the people of Donbass, who are truly in a miserable situation. We felt like we could no longer sit back and watch as innocent people in Novorossiya starved and died of sickness. Some of us were especially passionate about the situation in Ukraine and we racked our brains until we decided that sending such necessities as food, medicine and clothing could be the best way we could help and draw in other students. The idea of a humanitarian aid organization seemed like a perfect way to express our solidarity with the war-struck people of Novorossiya with the limited resources and capacity we had. So, we sat down, discussed our ideas, and International Students Aid to Donbass was born in early November. We contacted Russian NGOs that handle humanitarian assistance and set up a collection point in cooperation with them. However, we're still our own independent group; we see working with them as one of the greatest opportunities available.

Fight Back!: Are you able to tell a bit about the make-up of International Students Aid to Donbass? Obviously, the name indicates that the membership is multinational.

ISAD student: Being a group primarily composed of international students, our group truly is diverse. We have people from the U.S., Poland, and various European countries. Our group can communicate in more than half a dozen languages. ISAD is also diverse in more ways than just our national make-up. We all come from a broad range of backgrounds and political persuasions. Our group includes communists, Eurasianists and students who simply hate war and the pain it brings anywhere, and want to help alleviate the pain of the men, women and children who are enduring it. Some of us are passionate supporters of Novorossiya and the resistance, while others simply sympathize with the ordinary people who are suffering. As a humanitarian organization, we have no strict political line. The thing that fundamentally unites all of us is the fact that we are saving people's lives by delivering desperately needed goods to the people that need them most. This simple yet important mission has grown our numbers in the short time that we've been active and continues to motivate our work.

Fight Back!: Are there any security issues, seeing as you're operating in a country which, on a state level, supports the fascist government in Kiev? How does the political situation in Poland affect the work of the organization?

ISAD student: Absolutely. Security is a serious problem that we have to carefully deal with. Our members have faced verbal and physical threats and hostilities from Ukrainian nationalists in Poland. A significant number of Ukrainians now have easy access to visas, even free ones, to come work and study here. Some Ukrainian nationalists come here on visas because they don't actually want to fight in the war, and find plenty of space here, without consequences or obligations, to howl about how patriotic they are and threaten those who disagree. Because of security issues stemming from such people and the fact that the Polish state supports the Kiev junta, we keep even our social media private and, unfortunately, can't publicly list our aid point. Speaking of the general political situation in Poland, politicians here love to fan the flames of Russophobia in order to distract people from the real issues they face domestically. Additionally, Poland acts as the war hawk within NATO, so tensions here are always virulently anti-Russia, anti-Donbass, and the propaganda in the media is ridiculously overbearing. Between state-sanctioned Russophobia and aggressive Ukrainian "activists," we have to consciously, always and everywhere, pay paramount attention to security.

Fight Back!: What exactly does your day-to-day work look like?

ISAD student: Our work is simple. We pool together our money, time and energy and go on weekly shopping trips for food, medicine and clothing which we can ship monthly to Donbass. The important thing to remember is that we are students. We're operating on student budgets with student schedules, but we do the best we can with our resources. We all sacrifice our own money and time, but we all feel gratified by the humanitarian work we're doing. We also try to spread awareness of the situation in Ukraine, but the political situation renders that secondary to practical work.

Fight Back!: Do you have any future plans for expanding your work?

ISAD student: In the next few months, our main plan is to find new people to work with. As far as I know, we are one of the only, if not then the only such organization of its kind actively working in Poland, and especially Wroclaw. Before we started, we looked around for other such groups, but found none. In addition to continuing our work with our existing contacts, we're going to contact other humanitarian organizations, particularly those that specifically deliver assistance to children in Donbass. Of course, our capacity is limited, but finding more students and people in Poland, and indeed the world, who are interested in participating will only increase our determination and ability to carry out our mission to save Donbass people.

Fight Back!: Is there anything you'd like to say to supporters and sympathizers in the West, particularly progressives in the U.S.?

ISAD student: I think the most important thing is that this model of organization is universally applicable. Any number of people anywhere can get together and open an aid point. A little work goes a long way. Even if you only have one or two people and can only get a few food items, some over-the-counter medicine and used clothing, such things mean the world to people in Donbass whose only lifeline is international humanitarian assistance. Especially in the West and in the U.S., where the propaganda is so strong and labels the ordinary people of Donbass "pro-Russian terrorists," humanitarian aid work is important to exposing the lies, and most people can find it agreeable despite their political convictions. At the end of the day, we're saving people from a war being senselessly waged against them by some of the most powerful countries of the world in an imperialist geopolitical bid to weaken Russia and snatch Ukraine for the Western camp. The people stuck between the fighting need our help. Support from progressives benefits both the people of Donbass and the struggle against war and propaganda in the heart of the West itself. We encourage anyone interested to get involved and, of course, we're happy to help with logistics and share our experience.

International Students Aid to Donbass can be contacted at polskidonbasu [ AT ] gmail.com

Appendix 1: Red Cross appeals for help to rebuild homes in Donbass (2:57)

Appendix 2: Donbass under fire: Separatists(58:12)

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Investigating the MH17 atrocity is becoming increasingly urgent

Mon, 2015-01-19 19:55 by david macilwain

As the Ukrainian army launches a new attack on the Donetsk Peoples' Republic, claiming to have retaken Donetsk Airport from 'separatist' forces, the justification for such an attack has once again become a subject for discussion. While the Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says the new offensive is aimed at 're-uniting' Ukraine, and Western media believe this both to be a reasonable objective and the real one, the actual situation is entirely different...

Much of the perversion of truth on the true nature of the Ukrainian government and the nature of the 'Eastern rebellion' can be put down to the success of the 'False Flag' attack on MH17 - carried out by the Ukrainian air force with as yet unverified assistance from Western intelligence agencies. This tragic state of affairs is thanks to the skill of the propaganda campaign conducted primarily by the US and its close allies, but facilitated by the Western media apparatus. It is tragic because the simplest of investigations of the crash site and wreckage of the plane would have readily demonstrated who was responsible; not only was clear physical evidence of the damage visible, and reported and photographed by some early observers, but forensic analysis would have found traces of the bullets that so clearly perforated the cockpit.

Given this background, the appearance of an article in the Fairfax press by veteran correspondent Paul McGeough describing his visits to the crash site with partner Kate Geraghty should have been cause for optimism; that this renowned 'investigative journalist' seemed uninterested in identifying the criminals responsible for killing so many people and instead focused on collecting sunflower seeds in 'Cockpit village' was cause for exasperation!
I sent the letter below to McGeough, in addition to Jonathan Green who interviewed him on the ABC. It also went to ABC Consumer Affairs, and the editors of the Australian National Review, and the editors of English Pravda.

Dear Paul,

While I admire your desire to give the relatives of victims of the MH17 atrocity something to fill the void left by the loss of their loved ones, I was astonished that your intense focus allowed you to both reveal and overlook crucial evidence that would provide something far more substantial to those relatives.

For those of us who paid no attention to the wild claims made in Western media following the downing of MH17, and made their own judgements based on evidence available, there was little evidence more convincing that photographs of the cockpit of the aircraft showing severe damage from artillery of some kind. For the benefit of the other recipients of this email I copy below your description in the Fairfax press of your visit to ‘Cockpit village’ – the very place where that vital fragment was observed and photographed:

“We headed out of the city before dawn. On a highway strewn with the smouldering wreckage of vehicles destroyed in the previous night's fighting, some with bodies still lying in or near them, we threaded our way through rebel checkpoints, back to what we had dubbed "the cockpit village".

This was Rassypnoe, a hamlet in which locals watched in awe as MH17's nose cone smashed into a field of shoulder-high sunflowers, just metres from buildings on the village's western flank.

When we visited the village in the last week of July, Eugene Lukovkin, a 30-year-old separatist gunman, gave us a graphic account of the crash – "bodies falling like bullets"; the nose section making a muffled sound, "like it landed in a swamp".

Recalling that he had been disposing of his grandmother's trash, Lukovkin told me: "The plane headed towards me. I could see the smoke as it fell to pieces – it had been missiled. One section was coming at me and the rest of it seemed to keep going. I dumped the rubbish cart and started running; others were running too – we think maybe some of the falling people are alive.

"There were lots of bodies – dead." Pointing to the left side of the cockpit, he says: "This is where one of the pilots was – I knew he was in charge because he had stars on his shoulder."

When we returned at dawn on our last day, none of the locals were to be seen. We drove to the field in which the buckled cockpit lay and quietly went to work – chopping enough sunflower heads to fill a big suitcase that we had bought at the market for this purpose. No one came to ask what we were doing.

Thirty minutes later we were back on the road, driving north to the Ukrainian government-controlled city of Kharkiv, from where we caught a commercial flight to the capital Kiev.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/my-christmas-offering-sunflower-seeds-for-mh17-families-from-the-fields-of-ukraine-20141226-12dily.html

You also described this experience in a radio interview on the ABC with Jonathan Green:

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/sunflower-seeds-for-mh17/5992360

While there is little doubt outside the sphere of influence of the Western corporate media that a Ukrainian fighter jet shot down MH17 using both an air to air missile and 30mm cannon fire, the necessary evidence to establish this fact has clearly not been sought by the Dutch investigators, or their findings are being suppressed. Of particular interest here is the report from the ‘separatist gunman’ that he had seen the pilots body in the cockpit wreckage.

In the accepted scenario of the crash, endorsed by the blank black box recording, the pilots were the prime and initial target of the aerial attack; not only are there multiple penetrations of this part of the aircraft, and relatively few elsewhere, but the cockpit came down separated from the main fuselage by some distance.

Examining the high quality photograph of the left side of the cockpit, one can see evenly spaced holes as from strafing, but from bullets fired at the other side of the cockpit – the holes are quite obviously made by objects emerging from inside as the outer layer of the double skin is peeled outward, while the holes in the inner skin are perfectly round and the size of the 30 mm bullets. In the version of your article above there is also a photograph taken by Kate Geraghty of ‘a pilot’s seat’. A forensic analysis on both the seat and the pilot’s body would surely show evidence of perforations by the tungsten shells used by the SU25 and presumed responsible for the damage.

World peace depends on truthful and careful reporting now

Some people may believe that discussion of exactly how MH17 came down is becoming academic, as we lurch from one dangerous crisis to the next. But unlike discussion of the causes of the First World War – so apparently topical at the moment – this is anything but academic. Already the framing of Russia as not just involved but even as responsible for the atrocity has ‘facilitated’ NATO’s expansion eastwards, and enabled the Kiev coup leaders to pursue their corrupt agenda with European approval and assistance. And given that it is now clear ‘cui bono’ as a result of this attack, we must confront the stark possibility that MH17 was an act of state terrorism in which our own governments may have been complicit.

There are already very many commentators, experts and authorities who have come to this conclusion, not simply based on the evidence that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet – which is considerable – but because of the complete lack of evidence offered by Western agencies and governments for their contention that ‘Russian backed separatists’ shot it down with a BUK surface to air missile. Only days after the attack, Russian authorities appealed to the US to release satellite pictures from a new satellite they apparently had directly over Ukraine at the time of the crash. This information has been repeatedly requested by Moscow but with no response. It is not possible to conclude other than that such information would be incriminating both to Kiev and the US – if it showed a BUK missile launch by the Separatists as it surely would then we would have seen such information immediately.

Russia Today has just released a second documentary on the attack – ‘Reflections on MH17’, ( http://rtd.rt.com/films/reflections-on-mh17film/) which focuses on the extraordinary failure of Dutch and Ukrainian authorities to properly investigate the causes of the accident, while observing that conclusions on what weapon was responsible could be easily made with some simple laboratory analyses. It could not be said that such an investigation would ‘bring closure’ to the relatives of MH17 victims, but exposing the real culprits would do a lot more for the victims and potential victims of NATO’s aggressive policies in Europe. These criminals who would happily sacrifice a few hundred truly innocent civilians as part of their strategic game cannot be allowed to escape justice, and the wrath of their own citizens.

I must just acknowledge the welcome new perspective brought to the Australian media by the Australian National Review – to whom I am also copying this letter. To my knowledge this is the only mention in our print press of the ‘real story’ of MH17, – but I await its serious discussion from our national broadcaster.

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Australian SBS News 'reports' that East Ukraine self-defence forces shot down MH17

Sat, 2014-12-13 23:51 by James Sinnamon

This article includes links to evidence which proves that claims made by Tony Abott, Petro Poroshenko and SBS that East Ukrainian rebels killed the 298 crew and passengers aboard MH17, including 38 Australians, were untrue.

On the SBS news service of 11 December 2014 it was reported uncritically that visiting Ukrainian President President Petro Poroshenko and his host Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott had urged Russia to withdraw the troops they claim had invaded Ukraine. SBS also urged that those guilty of murdering 38 Australians amongst the 298 who were aboard flight MH17 be brought to justice. They said that pro-Russian rebels had fired the alleged surface-to-air missile that had allegedly shot down Flight MH17. ABC Australia has recently apologised for similar prejudiced reporting, admitting it had no evidence, see: ABC Australia apologises for bias against Russia in reporting MH17 crash. Neither Poroshenko, Abbott, or the SBS 'reporter' however, acknowledge that no evidence has been produced to confirm this claim. Furthermore, there is much forensic and eyewitness testimony that strongly indicates that flight MH17 was shot down by a pair of Ukraine Air Force Sukhoi 25 fighters.

Claims that Russian soldiers have invaded Ukraine have been parroted by the Western newsmedia, including SBS news, for months, but evidence of this has never been produced.

The implicit assumption is that the East Ukrainians self-defence forces could not have defeated the Ukrainian army without help from armed forces from elsewhere.

The alternative explanation which is consistent with the evidence is that the Ukraine army has been defeated because
(1) the self-defence forces have a more intimate knowledge of the land which they are defending and (2) they enjoy the support of the local people. This has never been considered on SBS news.

Biased SBS reports about this development in the Ukraine conflict include:

PM talks uranium sales to Ukraine (11 Dec 14)
Aust looks to sell uranium to Ukraine (11 Dec 14)
MH17 on agenda for Ukraine president visit (10 Dec 14)
Ukraine's Poroshenko to visit Australia (3 Dec 14)

In the aforementioned "ABC Australia apologises for bias against Russia in reporting MH17 crash", the ABC 7.30 report wrote this in response to a complaint:

"7.30 has acknowledged your concern and agrees it was inaccurate for the program to state as fact that flight MH17 was shot down by “Pro-Russian militia” and “Russian backed rebels”. The program understands the cause of that incident remains unresolved and is the subject of ongoing investigation."

Appendix: Factually wrong 'reporting' from the above stories.

From MH17 on agenda for Ukraine president visit

The passenger jet was shot down over eastern Ukraine in July by pro-Russian rebels who are waging a war against government forces.

...

Mr Abbott has pointed the finger at Russia, accusing it of providing the missile and military support to the rebels, threatening Ukraine's territorial integrity.

Editorial comment. A growing mountain of evidence shows that the most plausible explanation is that MH17 was downed by Ukraine Air Force Sukhoi 25 fighter aircraft. Articles which describe this and attempts to prevent a proper investigation include:

Netherlands rejects MH17 relatives' request for UN investigation – RT News (9/12/14), Ukraine, A "Suspect in Crime" involved in the MH17 Criminal Investigation – Global Research (3/12/14), Families of MH17 victims 'demand UN takes over Dutch investigation' – RT News (5/12/14), Malaysia excluded from MH17 probe – for 'not pointing fingers at Russia'? – RT News (28/11/14), MH17: Malaysia's Barring from Investigation Reeks of Cover-up – Land Destroyer (28/11/14), MH17 Witnesses Tell BBC They Saw Ukrainian Jet. BBC Deletes Video. – Global Research (30/11/14), Mother of German MH17 crash victim sues Ukraine in EU court – RT News (30/11/14), The Downing of Flight MH17: Why is Malaysia Not Part of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT)? – Global Research (24/11/14), Camouflage and Coverup: The Dutch Commission Report on the Malaysian MH17 Crash is "Not Worth the Paper it's Written On" – Global Research (11/9/14) and Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the "Shooting Down" of Malaysian MH17. "Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile – Global Research (29/9/14) by Peter Hasienko, MH17: Nations Conspire To Keep Investigations Classified – Leaked Document Reveals – International Business Times (27/8/14), The MH-17 Satellite Photos – Who Can Be Trusted? – Global Research (18/11/14),Dutch government refuses to reveal 'secret deal' into MH17 crash probe – RT News (20/11/14), MH-17 ‘Investigation': Secret August 8th Agreement Seeps Out – RINF Alternative News (24/8/14), Why Does the West Allow the Ukrainian Government to Write the Official Report on the Shoot-Down of MH-17? – Global Research (21/11/14).

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MH17- The Untold Story - Russian investigative documentary

Sat, 2014-10-25 19:24 by Sheila Newman

Video inside. 23 minute Russian documentary investigating the downing of MH17, using footage from reporters on the scene shortly after, and engineering analysis, plus follow-up on reports made early in the piece, but since buried in the western news. The official investigative teams have still not come up with any definitive answers, and certainly no evidence that Russians or even East Ukrainian separatists did it, let alone had any motive, despite prejudicial and inflammatory stances by our own primeminister, Mr Abbott. At the time of the tragedy, civil conflict in the area prevented international experts from conducting a full and thorough investigation. It seems that the western-backed Kiev government (under Poroshenko) went all-out to bomb the area continuously, leaving one to surmise that they wanted to destroy evidence and keep observers away. The wreckage should have been collected and scrupulously re-assembled to identify all the damage, but this standard investigative procedure was never carried out. Until that’s done, evidence can only be gleaned from pictures of the debris, the flight recorders or black boxes and eye-witnesses’ testimonies. This may be enough to help build a picture of what really happened to the aircraft, whether a rocket fired from the ground or gunfire from a military jet.

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English transcript of amazing Donetsk National Republic press conference

Mon, 2014-09-01 02:28 by admin

(See also article "The Donetsk National Republic states the facts about its conflict with the Kiev regime".)
In this video Alexander V. Zakharchenko, who is now Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Donetsk National Republic, declares, "Let me clarify. No federalization can be possible today. There is time for everything. We asked for the federalization 3 months ago, then we asked for a permission to hold a referendum. That time has passed, now we want to live independently. The Ukrainian authorities are using police methods to subdue us: they arrest us, cordon us off, and conduct anti-terrorist operations against us. By now so much blood has been spilled and so many people have died for freedom. How can we speak of federalization?"

[If the subtitles are not in your language, click on the small white rectangle at the base of the video; this will give you a window to select another language.]

0:00
[Alexander V. Zakharchenko, Chairman of The Council of Ministers of The Donetsk National Republic] As you all know, a week ago we announced our plan to attack. We started it yesterday.
0:11
Until yesterday we have been preparing for the attack, examining trophy equipment, arming the crews, and testing communication between different military formations.
0:26
I can now proudly announce that we formed 2 tank battalions, 2 full artillery brigades, 2 Grad divisons,
0:36
1 mechanized infantry battalion, 3 infantry brigades and a special purpose assault airborne brigade.
0:44
All these units have now received Army numbers.
0:49
The communication system have been regularized and 2 field hospitals and 1 maintenance brigade have been formed.
0:58
We have begun testing all these units in battle. Yesterday we began an attack on Amvrosiyivka enemy group.
1:08
According to our data, in the course of the offensive, the enemy lost about 45 units of military equipment, we captured 14 units of military equipment, and about 1,200 people were killed and wounded.
1:23
There are two cauldrons at the moment, in Amvrosiivka and Starobeshevskaia.
1:33
We started to advance at 4 a.m. on Elenovka, where the fighting is still going on.
1:39
2/3 of Elenovka is under our control. We hope to clean up these areas before the night. However, the offensive will not end at that.
1:50
We will continue until we free all populated areas in the Donetsk National Republic.
2:01
The army is ready and we have the support of the people. There will be more and more prisoners.
2:12
Now regarding the Parade. I deliberately put the trophy equipment on display on Lenin Square.
2:18
Everything that will come to us from Kiev, will end up in the same condition sooner or later.
2:25
The more will come, the easier it’ll be for us to restore our economy.
2:30
As you may know, metallurgy is one of our main industries.
2:41
I would like to thank the Minister of Defense for the close cooperation, understanding of the challenges facing the government, for his unlimited capacity to work and for his personal courage.
3:01
[Vladimir Kononov, Defense Minister of DNR] Dear journalists, TV audience, I would like to appeal to you.
3:13
The Ukrainian aggressive occupation army came on our soil. They brought a nationalistic ideology that has no respect for human life.
3:35
Their only interest is in our territory and resources.
3:45
They launch their vile attacks on residential civilian complexes with grandmothers, women, and children.
3:55
Just yesterday they fired on a residential quarter and killed a 9-year-old girl. There was no militia there.
4:07
They use sneaky tactics of mobile mortar groups that come to a place, shoot at it for 10-20 minutes, and quickly leave.
4:23
We already have all data on the movements of these mortar groups. They will be neutralized soon.
4:35
Now regarding the armed forces.
4:38
This is a uniform force with the principle of undivided authority that prevents disobedience and disorder, contrary to those who call the DNR army Makhnovist, etc.
4:48
It's a lie disseminated by the Kiev’s junta as well as by those who have unleashed tanks, Grads, and artillery against its people.
5:09
You can now ask your questions.
5:23
Does the militia fire on the houses?
5:31
Let me correct you right away. We were the militia 10 days ago. Today, we are the armed forces of the Donetsk National Republic.
5:38
The DNR’s armed forces by no means try to strike on residential neighborhoods and houses.
5:48
We don't and never will practice this. This is our homeland, our soil, and our Motherland.
5:55
This is a war on our territory that we want to preserve. We're not animals. We are not fighting in Kiev, we are fighting at home.
6:09
Channel 1, Moscow. How would you characterize the Ukrainian armed forces’ response to your offensive? Were they aware of it? Are they in confusion, resisting or rolling back?
6:26
Most likely they knew about our counter-attack as we did not make a secret of this. They didn’t know the time and place of the attack.
6:38
There are regular army officers who, unfortunately, at some point graduated from the Soviet military schools and the Academy.
6:46
They were preparing for different options, and have guessed some of them. The fighting was heavy because the regular units fight well.
6:58
The regular army really fights, gets defeated, but never gives up.
7:07
Those who roll back are the battalions of Shakhtersk, Aydar etc. They are usually easy to attack because they retreat at the first shot and never engage in direct fire contact.
7:22
They usually retreat and call on the regular units, and then they start to attack together.
7:27
Again, the fighting is very heavy.,You can feel the enemy’s superiority in their quantity of equipment.
7:35
To give you an idea of the intensity of the fighting: we cross about 40 km in the day.
7:45
The Parade of prisoners of war we’ve seen this afternoon, isn’t it against all humanitarian conventions and motions of dignity?
8:10
As a lawyer, I can say that we did nothing against international law.
8:16
The prizoners were not undressed or starved.
8:22
Show me a single international law, which prohibites parading prisoners. We have not done anything illegal.
8:34
What was the purpose of this parade? Were you trying to send a message to Kiev? Why did you make a decision to parade the prisoners of war?
8:53
Kyiv said that they will march in parade in Donetsk on the 24th. So they did.
9:19
Poroshenko didn’t lie: they were here together with their hardware.
9:27
This week Lugansk received humanitarian aid from Russia. Are you waiting for such help, and when do you think you can expect it to come?
9:34
We expected it yesterday, even before Lugansk.
9:38
Our city’s population is bigger than Lugansk, so it was logical to send it to us first.
9:44
But situation in Lugansk is much harder, so it was sent there first. I hope that we will receive our help soon.
9:51
Are there any negotiations about the terms of delivery?
9:54
Yes, the negotiations were conducted on the same day as Lugansk, but, unfortunately, we didn't get it.
10:00
Will Lugansk share their received help with you?
10:04
As practical business managers, we would like it. However, from the humanitarian position we understand that the situation is more difficult there.
10:16
We have to rely on our own resources for now. Hopefully, help will come soon.
10:25
there are historical parallels with July 1944 and the March of the Nazis. Did it happen by accident or was it done on purpose?
10:31
Honestly, we have recently seen one of the insignias of the 2nd separate brigade: the complete emblem of the Galicia SS Division, a 79 SS Galicia badge.
10:51
When we saw the full symbol of this Division... Many Russian families suffered losses in the Second World War. One of the ancestors in my family fought against the Galicia SS Division.
11:13
This is not just a parallel, this is generational: my great-grandfather, and now I, and the same division…
11:20
That’s why a desire was born to repeat 1944 so they would realize that it all already happened before, it has repeated itself with the same result.
11:29
Every time you come to Russia with a sword, “from a sword you will perish”.
11:33
Unfortunately, dear journalists, the West tries to invade us with a regularity of 30-50 years.
11:42
That is, every 30-50 years the Western civilization tries to impose on us their opinion and their way of life.
11:52
The First World War, the Great Patriotic war, the Crimean war before that and so on well into the depths of history.
12:03
As a result, the West traditionally gets the fall of Berlin, Paris, etc.
12:10
There is Maidan every year In Kiev – “Those who don’t jump are Moskals”.
12:16
The West comes every 30-50 years to get what it deserves. Now in 2014, they are slightly delayed.
12:30
What kind of aid do you now get from Russia?
12:41
individuals and certain organizations send us food, clothes, and medicine.
12:58
Ramzan Kadyrov has collected humanitarian aid worth of $70 million, which is now waiting in Rostov.
13:05
It was not a state program, it’s from the Republic and the President of Chechnya.
13:11
....experts in artillery from Samara?
13:21
I will invite several officers of the French Navy, who want to fight with us.
13:30
They are willing to give an interview. We have Europe fighting amongst us.
13:38
The European ideals of equality, fraternity, and the French revolution, as in the Marseillaise, resonate with the patriots of France.
13:49
It means, the nation is not dead, since it has such representatives who are willing to go to the far away place to fight for their ideals, which the Bastille was once taken for.
13:59
Yes, there are volunteers: the French, the Russians. Is it a bad thing? It’s great.
14:08
Are there regular Russian military units fighting on your side?
14:28
If you think that Russia is sending its regular units here, then let me tell you something.
14:38
If Russia was sending its regular troops, we wouldn't be talking about the battle of Elenovka here.
14:46
We'd be talking about a battle of Kiev or a possible capture of Lvov.
14:55
Now there is a war on our soil for our territory. We have an influx of volunteers from all over the world.
15:06
Of course, the Russian help would be very desirable, but from a political point of view it is impossible and unrealistic.
15:13
Thanks, by the way, to the European countries. You do not acknowledge this war just as you did not acknowledge the great Patriotic war, didn’t you?
15:19
You support the anti-terrorist operation against terrorists and separatists.
15:22
Have you not developed a Charter of free territory, I believe, in Switzerland?
15:30
A Territory has a right of self determination and separation after a referendum.
15:35
Germany lives by the same principles. There will be a referendum in Scotland soon.
15:41
That is, you call your own principles democratic and carry them out (almost) democratically.
15:48
The example of Czechoslovakia was peaceful. Yugoslavia, unfortunately, was torn into a thousand little pieces by you. Using military methods by the way.
15:57
We have the same thing happening here.
16:00
That is, if you stop pursuing a policy of double standards and will be able to understand that people live here.
16:07
What is our fault? The fault of Donetsk, Donbass, our land?
16:13
That we are asked to live independently? That we wanted to live the way we want? To speak our language? To make friends with whom we want?
16:23
We didn't want to go to Europe. We have different mentalities, religion.
16:37
But we have a different religion. We want to go East.
16:40
We wanted to live the way we want, but we were not allowed to. We were called terrorists and separatists.
16:47
Please note, we did not capture any regional administrations, nor did we scorch district departments. That’s what the Maidan did.
16:56
Slogans: "No oligarchy”, “Equality and brotherhood", "Freedom of religion and language", "Freedom of choice".
17:07
All these slogans are from the Maidan. We want the same thing. So why are we the bad guys?
17:12
What did we do to deserve being bombed from planes?, shot at from tanks?and have phosphorous bombs dropped on us ?
17:22
Explain to me what an anti-terrorist operation is?!
17:26
There police forces and intelligence services are involved, and not regular military units, military vehicles and aircrafts.
17:36
Dear journalists, please correct me if I am wrong.
17:39
If we are terrorists, then the police and the security service of Ukraine must fight us.
17:44
30, 25, 95, 72, and 76 - the entire Ukrainian army is present on our territory.
17:55
Three conscriptions, the national guard, territorial battalions, private battalions Aidar, Azov, Shakhtersk, Donbass, Dnieper-1, Dnieper-2, Dnieper-3, battalion Kiev, and now Kryvbas.
18:09
What have we done? What is our guilt? The fact that we have shale gas, for which you want to erase entire Slavyansk from the face of the earth?
18:20
Or any other financial interests?
18:25
We are all descendants of the glorious ancestors. We all have ancestors that we are proud of.Only between the two of us there are two Heroes of the Soviet Union.
18:36
We are still able to hold weapons in our hands. We swallowed with our mothers’ milk a pride and desire to live in free and happy Donbass.
18:44
We’ll tell anyone who comes to harm us on our soil: we will fight tooth and nail for our Motherland.
18:51
Kiev and the West made a big mistake by awaking us.
18:56
We are the hardworking people. While others were jumping on the Maidan for 300 grivnas, our people were down in the mine, mining coal, melting metal and sowing crop.
19:07
None of us had time to jump, we were busy working.
19:11
When a person who just yesterday worked with a jackhammer or operated a harvester, today got behind a steering wheel of a tank or Grad, or picked up a machine gun, the line has been crossed and you cannot stop him.
19:23
The one who left his job knows that he will fight to the end and to his last breath.
19:29
You may pass it on to others: do not wake the beast. Just don’t.
19:35
While there is still an opportunity, let mothers spare their sons.
19:44
For some, perhaps this will be terrible news: there still lie several hundred soldiers of the armed forces of the Ukrainian army under Panovka, Saur-Mohyla, who are unaccounted for.
19:58
Families receive “missing in action” letters. They are actually dead. Kiev authorities do it on purpose.
20:05
Hundreds and thousands dead in more than a dozen graves. I announce it officially.
20:14
Let everybody know if you received a "missing in action" letter, then most likely, your husband, brother, or son got killed.
20:26
[Vladimir Kononov] I can you give an example from the battle of the 72nd and 25th batalions against us in Shakhtersk. I have all the documents of the soldiers who burned near the wrecked machinery.
20:43
We returned the bodies to the Ukrainian army. Two weeks later, we received information that they were “missing in action”.
20:55
Why did they bother to pick up the bodies?
21:01
It was reported that the Ukrainian army from the beginning of the conflict had 12,000 killed, 19,000 wounded and 5,000 missing.
21:15
They are not missing, they were killed and buried under Karachun, in Krasnyy Liman…
21:26
They were dumping bodies from a helicopter with stones tied to their feet into the Blue lakes near Slavyansk.
21:33
Vladimir Petrovich, let's not excite our press with such gruesome details.
21:38
Poroshenko said that all 120 people out of 1200 who participated in the Parade in Kiev, will go to the East.
21:47
Now I want to say: I don't want to fight. It wasn’t my choice, but I'll fight till the end for my land, no matter who, when and how numerous they were.
21:59
This is a battle of annihilation. Unfortunately, the Slavs are fighting among themselves and destroying their best people.
22:11
We want to reach out to all the relatives and mothers: do not send your sons here.
22:15
Leave us alone. Let us live free and in peace.
22:20
We didn’t come to you in Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, or Zaporozhye. We are not marauding your villages, raping your women, killing your elders and stealing their military decorations.
22:28
Remember decorations for Stalingrad, the capture of Berlin, Gold Star medals, Orders of Glory, Orders of the Red Banner, mixed up with women's earrings?...
22:38
We don't do that. We want to live on our land the way we want. We don't need you. We are different.
22:46
Ukraine of the East and the West is an artificially created conglomerate. However, we didn’t start this war.
22:57
If someone has a political conscience, a will and a courage of a real man, I'm just suggesting to stop this operation.
23:11
You don’t have to recognize our status, just leave us alone within our borders of Donetsk and Lugansk republics, and we will kiss each other goodbye.
23:23
A question from the French newspaper Libération. When will a press conference with the French internationalists, that you mentioned, take place?
23:40
They will arrive tomorrow. Talk with Vladimir Petrovich tomorrow. Contact him through his press Secretary.
23:52
Do you think the meeting with Poroshenko will bring any positive solutions?
24:26
Let me clarify. No federalization can be possible today.
24:35
There is time for everything. We asked for the federalization 3 months ago, then we asked for a permission to hold a referendum.
24:51
That time has passed, now we want to live independently.
24:59
The Ukrainian authorities are using police methods to subdue us: they arrest us, cordon us off, and conduct anti-terrorist operations against us.
25:15
By now so much blood has been spilled and so many people have died for freedom. How can we speak of federalization?
25:26
What is federalization? This is a series of bureaucratic procedures that need to be done.
25:38
But we want to live independently. We have very rich land.
25:43
Talks about subsidies is a lie perpetrated by thieves to steal money. Each President understood this very well and always participated in it.
25:58
We are a self-sufficient region with its agriculture, developed industry, forests, fields, and seas.
26:07
We have everything from a “Switzerland” to the sea.
26:13
Resort areas, agriculture, chemical and coal industry, rich minerals, gas deposits, etc.
26:27
Despite close ties with the rest of Ukraine, we can and must be able to feed ourselves.
26:40
If they do not understand it in a good way, then we will ask them in a hard way.
26:44
I hope that the meeting between Poroshenko and President Vladimir Putin will lead to the taking of our position into account.
27:06
About the law in relation to people who are in prison.
27:20
Please specify what kind of law you are talking about.
27:24
On what basis these people have been arrested?
27:39
We have recently adopted a new criminal code and the creation of court-martials and tribunals. Is that what are you talking about?
27:49
This is not a law, this is a provision that we have discussed in the Council of Ministers and then submitted to the Supreme Council.
27:58
The Supreme Council gave us a go-ahead. Are you asking about people who were arrested prior to this or after?
28:08
At the moment we have mostly detained soldiers who violated military discipline and the oath of allegiance.
28:22
A court-martial will have to deal with it. Now regarding the rest.
28:27
Since the adoption of this law, all detained civilians were transferred to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of State Security for their hearings.
28:37
Depending on the sentence, they will either be released, or subjected to administrative punishments in the form of community service from 10 to 30 days.
28:52
Donetsk Detention Center came over to our side, so civilized places will be used for detentions.
29:04
For further clarifications you can enquire at the reception desk of the Deputy Prime Minister or to appeal to the Prosecutor General.
29:27
A question about the death penalty.
29:31
I'll be honest, I think the death penalty is the highest form of protection of society.
29:40
You probably remember that my first decree was to fight banditry.
29:45
Yes, this is a widespread phenomenon, because all sorts of criminal elements penetrate under the guise of a revolution.
29:57
We must fight it now so we wouln’t have to hunt these paramilitary groups down later. That was the reason behind this decision.
30:15
After the long discussions it has been decided to adopt the death penalty.
30:21
You all know perfectly well that the abolition of the death penalty does not reduce crime.
30:29
Statistics show that with the death penalty abolished crimes “for some reason” tend to go up.
30:40
The society, ordinary people, and private entrepreneurs have to be able to live and work in the safety. We made a decision to guarantee their security.
31:00
For details, please familiarize yourself with the code. It is written in quite clear language.

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