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Victorian Government announces a full duck shooting season
Can courageous actions of decent people easily be 'overacted'?
One of the soldiers was acquitted on appeal after it was determined that his Fifth Amendment rights were violated, and his confessions were ruled inadmissible. His brother's sentence was shortened to 22 months. The corporal and sergeant's sentences were reduced to eight years, with the possibility of parole after 4 years. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_incident_on_Hill_192#lang1969a)
I wonder too
Political message good but poor charecterisation spoils movies
Reward for Canada's help
Queensland floods and wildlife..
If the native forests hadn't been cleared, likely less flooding
If the native forests hadn't been cleared, likely there would have been less flooding. Not too many people around 220 years old, but perhaps natural history or Aboriginal oral history can lay claim to pre-colonised Queensland having less damaging floods.
The transpiration rate of native forests is considerable. A single mature Eucalypt can consume 7300 litres of water per year. In a forest or plantation with a density of 1100 trees/hectare, the water consumption (transpiration) will be 8,030,000 litres of water per hectare/year. [World Rainforest Movement].
So if the forests had been there, the ground saturation that caused the Queensland flooding (groundwater has nowhere to go except horizontally) would have been markedly reduced; perhaps just swollen rivers rather than flooded ones. Forest and river ecosystems have a delicate balance. Rape the ecosystem and suffer nature's violence!
Lesson: bugger the natural environment (ie rip the guts out of native forests) and wear the consequences, Brisbane!
Take the following CSIRO report from 1999.
Australian Trees for the Rehabilitation of Waterlogged and Salinity-damaged Landscapes
by David T. Bell, CSIRO, 1999. [Australian Journal of Botany]
'The revegetation of damaged agricultural landscapes requires a detailed knowledge of appropriate species and their adaptations to cope with the stresses of environments altered by humans. ...Australian catchments yield little water under natural vegetation, the trees and shrubs being especially resourceful in utilising much of the annual rainfall input. Replacing native, deep-rooted perennial species with annual crops always results in a net gain in catchment water. To redress these problems, cleared landscapes must be partially restored to tree and shrub cover to utilise the excess water remaining when crops are harvested or lie dormant over summer. Upland regions of restored landscapes should be planted to tree crops, particularly those that are luxuriant water users, of commercial value to farmers.
Lowland sites in damaged catchments must be revegetated with trees which have waterlogging adaptations, such as aerenchyma, and tolerance to the products of anaerobic respiration. Areas of waterlogging that are additionally affected by excess salts must have exceptional trees. Australia has a number of native species which are well suited to survive these conditions, produce biomass and utilise excess water, while restricting or coping with the uptake of over-abundant salts.'
The CSIRO should play a key role in land use development, farming and urban planning.
Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria 3885
Australia
People are not livestock that can be exploited
Environment rules economy
Loss of trees does lead to worse floods
Conversation with Brisbane resident
Planners liable for approving building on flood-prone land
Planners at local council level and possibly legislators at State level across Queensland and NSW must be legally liable for approving building on flood-prone land. Residents and an experienced expert law firm should partner up in a class action and sue the pants off these reckless greedy governments who approve such development.
Last May, the victims of the floods in Roma, Charleville, Bollon and St George took their claims to their insurance companies to court. [Read More].
But it's the government planners who are most liable, who approve the developments up front with full knowledge of an area having a history of flood. Similarly, planners who approve building development on high bushfire prone land need to be also legally liable.
It is as dumb as building below the king tide mark.
Glad to be back; wish it was in more pleasant circumstances.
Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria 3885
Australia
Thanks, Tigerquoll. Glad 2 c u back. Boldfacing above is mine. - Editor
When will land clearing be connected with Qld floods?
My comment on asylum seekers- SBS site
Michael Murphy's tips on the nose
Haiti an example of limitless population growth
Economies of Australia, Ireland, Argentina
Overpopulation is ignored by the media due to PC
Australia's refugees policy excludes the poorest
SBS: Immigration Nation
Comments make this blog.
Overpopulation not the only key to Haitian poverty but.......
Little known Haiti background
More candobetter authors would be welcome
High mortality would stimulate the GDP too.
Comments make this blog
Growth
Victorian Bushfires also increased Australia's GDP!?
But what "economic benefit" is there to "trickle down"?
Remember the trickle down effect
More on how bee extinction threatens many food sources
Why is Japan allowed to bully us?
Could a growth pusher be motivated by selfless kindness?
Rising crime in our suburbs
Ed. A phrase about ethnicity has been edited from this comment because the context seemed to have been missed out.
We have many immigrants and refugees from nations that depend on window shutters, iron grills, firearms and high walls. Some come from war zones where conflict is the norm. Not only this, but some countries must employ private security guards to protect businesses and housing estates. Coming here, the opportunities for crime are enormous. Our houses, like 24 hour fast food outlets, are soft targets, easy and accessible.
The rise in crime cannot be blamed purely on new-comers but on society's fragmentation.
Our relative safe Australian suburbans are becoming targets for thieves and rapists. We are becoming internationalized in ways that we don't want. We embrace high immigration and diversity, but the costs are not often mentioned for political correctness.
Frogs on the decline too
Fifteen species of Australia's frogs are currently endangered, twelve are listed as vulnerable and four have become extinct. Of particular concern is the disappearance of frogs from pristine habitats. The first evidence that Australian frog populations were in serious decline was provided by the disappearance of two species — the southern day frog and the gastric brooding frog.
The reasons are all predictable - loss of wetlands, livestock usage, insecticide and herbicide use, introduces species of fish that prey on eggs and tadpoles, increased soil salinity and logging operations.
"Climate change" too is a generic explanation that could be used as a scapegoat for human impacts.
Beginning in the early 1980s, biologists began to realise that amphibians such as frogs are extremely sensitive to pollution and other environmental stresses. Many environmental scientists consider amphibians, including frogs, to be excellent biological indicators of broader ecosystem health because of their intermediate position in food webs, their permeable skins.
The construction of dams and weirs across the Murray-Darling Basin has significantly altered the flow regime of the system. Flooding, which once fed off-stream fish-free wetlands, occurs less and less often.
Out of about 5800 species of amphibians such as frogs and toads, Perth Zoo says 43% are in decline while 2% are already thought to be extinct. In contrast, a mere 1% of species are on the rise.
Dr Andrew Hamer, based at the University of Melbourne, stressing that reptile and frog habitats need be conserved in residential areas by keeping them as natural as possible, even if they are only small areas. "Our research suggests that many reptile and frog species have been negatively affected by urbanization,” says Dr Hamer. With higher density living, more concrete drains rather than rivers and creeks, and less back yards and green wedges, our amphibians and reptile have little chance of being protected.
Editorial comment: Emphasis and link added. Also, last paragraph has been extracted and added as a short appendix to linked article.
Decline in some species along with over-abundance of humans
The abundance of four common species of bumblebee in the US has dropped by 96% in just the past few decades, according to the most comprehensive national census of the insects. ...
Editor's comment: Thank you, Vivienne. This coment has been republished as the article Climbing human population's food sources threatened by bumblebee population decline?
Because we are human we see each human as unique
Thanks for article exposing gdp measure
Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF) Consumption Atlas
Urban density is creating hotter cities
Keeping green areas and agricultural land
Mass immigration a Labour UK plot
Eating away at our future
2010 nuclear electric energy
Big is not always better
Biotech genius Michael Murphy is preparing for next global crash
A September media release of Sustainable Population Australia
Sea Shepherd tracks down the whaling fleet
People as economic units
Diseconomies of scale reverses benefits of growth
Essential Economic for Regional Cities Victoria Report
"The additional cumulative cost of providing critical infrastructure to support a redistribution of 50,000 persons (25% Scenario) from metropolitan Melbourne to the Regional Cities is estimated to be $1.0 billion; this compares with inefficiency costs of $3.1 billion associated with the same number of persons being accommodated in metropolitan Melbourne".So redistributing people in regional centres is cheaper than in urban areas. These requirements include additional infrastructure and resources for: water, gas, electricity, public transport, residential and industrial land development, communications (inc NBN), health, education (schools, TAFE, university), kindergarten, childcare, aged care, community needs such as libraries, arts, recreation and waste services. The amounts are astronomical! If we stop the manic increase in population most of the woes that all of the politicians are carrying on about can be mostly or at least partially solved: housing scarcity and cost; infrastructure wearing out, environmental degradation, loss of agricultural land to urbanization, crowded public transport, expensive water provision (desal plant), long hospital waiting lists, congested roads, etc. The one-way course of economics - towards constant and limitless growth - is misanthropic and is heading us towards our own decline in living standards and even our ultimate survival on our small planet. We need some political ideals that relate to holistic planning and for the benefit of people now and in the future, not for the CEOs, the banks, elite businesses, global competition and property developers . The costs of growth ultimately are paid for by tax-payers, and we are the ones who benefit the least!
More population is danger, danger for Aus.
Hardly fertile like a "plague" of cockroaches
Australia is being sold off for short term economics
How could Australian housing "boom" not lead to enslavement?
Sustainable growth?
Major policy change in Victoria
The new Victorian State treasurer, Kim Wells, sounds as if he is singing a new tune on housing, population growth and manufacturing. Or it sounds like that in an article by David Rood, "Economy too reliant on housing, says Wells," December 27, 2010 The Agehttp://www.theage.com.au/victoria/economy-too-reliant-on-housing-says-wells-20101226-197xv.html
"VICTORIA needs to move beyond its unsustainable dependence on building houses to fuel economic growth, according to new state Treasurer Kim Wells.
In his first interview since assuming the role, Mr Wells said Victoria needed to broaden its economic base by rebuilding the neglected areas of agriculture and manufacturing. Mr Wells promised every coalition election policy would be delivered by the 2014 poll.
''We have an enormous reliance on building brand new houses in this state - I don't think long term that that is sustainable,'' he said."
Moreover, Kim Wells had already spoken on this issue prior to the election in his Shadow Treasurer State Budget Reply of 6 May 2010:
http://www.kimwells.com.au/show_article.php?item=302
"The Victorian Economy
World economies finally appear to be improving from the lows experienced following the global financial crisis.
However, despite more optimistic forecasts in this Budget than last, the Victorian economy remains fragile.
Furthermore, the Brumby Government has failed to address the major underlying issues of high population growth, housing affordability and real structural change within the Victorian economy.
The Victorian economy has been increasingly reliant on the housing sector and population increases to drive growth.
Last financial year, Victoria's population increased 2.2 per cent - 70 per cent of that increase due to overseas migration.
Access Economics in its September Quarter 2009 report described population growth as "underpinning" the State's economic growth.
However, housing affordability is a real issue for many Victorians.
A median-priced house in Melbourne now costs more than eight times the average annual pre-tax wage of $63,000, making it extremely difficult for home buyers.
According to a recent international housing affordability survey by Demographia, the average Melbourne household would need to spend over 50 per cent of its annual income to pay for the mortgage on a median-priced house.
The survey also found Melbourne housing was ''severely unaffordable."
Out of 272 cities surveyed, Melbourne was rated the third most unaffordable.
Housing affordability is approaching levels where many first home buyers and new residents in Victoria will be shut out of the market.
This is due to:
* 1. the supply of new housing blocks failing to match the strong demand from population growth;
* 2. stamp duty payable on an average Melbourne family home being the highest in Australia; and
* 3. the Brumby Government's decade of inaction on the issue and its failure to properly plan for the state's significant population growth.
And of course, State Labor is further reluctant to do anything on the issue because of its vested interest in benefiting from the continual increase in stamp duty payable on rising property prices.
However, it is now crunch time and the Government has failed to address the critical issue that the Victorian economy now requires a wider, more stable economic base for continuing growth.
Last month's Commsec state economic analysis reinforced this view, rating the Victorian economy third last for economic performance among the eight State and Territory economies. It noted that "there is little to separate Victoria, Northern Territory and Tasmania" in the economic league table.
Under Labor, Victoria's manufacturing sector has continued to decline and the State's export performance can only be described as mediocre.
Since 1998-99, manufacturing's share of the Victorian economy has fallen by nearly a third to just over 11 per cent.
Victoria's export volumes are barely matching levels of a decade ago.
Victoria's share of national merchandise exports has decreased from 20 per cent in 1999 to just over 9 per cent a decade later.
Even New South Wales was able to grow its exports by 36 per cent since 2001, while Victoria's exports have fallen 22 per cent - the worst performance of any State.
The Brumby Government has failed to fix the infrastructure and regulatory blockages impeding our internationally competitive enterprises. "
Is democracy looking up in Victoria? Is hope possible in the early 21st century?
At candobetter.net we will all be watching closely.
Limits to tolerance
How amazing that Frodo has survived
'Sustainable' Frankston Council fiddles while world burns up
What a great post
Kangaroos are a reminder of our unwanted past
We are the problem
Many politicians had the benefit of free education
Environmentally illiterate leaders
Universities outsourced because we have "skills shortages"?
Human reality does not meet ideals
Australia Zoo - koala joey showing some positive signs
Crime ridden Shepparton - social dis-ease
Foreigner issues in Sweden all news.
Economy on shaky grounds
Brumby too cosy with business: Labor MP
Limits to growth
Better than mainstream analysis
Test comment 12 December
If you're serious about saving the koalas
If you are serious about saving the koalas and protecting their habitat, and have complained already in writing to the Queensland Government and to the Australian Government, yet neither are not prepared to do anything to save them, then go international.
Notify UNESCO and start learning about Australia's international obligations and letting those at UNESCO know what is going on.
I suggest you first read '2010 Year of Biodiversity Tries to Rein in Runaway Extinctions', read up on the IUCN on Koalas, which UNESCO is responsible for, then formally notify the plight of these koalas to UNESCO, attaching your correspondence to the QLD and AUST governments, and send it to:
Mrs Irina BOKOVA
UNESCO Director General
7, place de Fontenoy 75352
Paris 07 SP France
Let us know how you go. Good luck!
'A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.'
- Margaret Mead.
Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria 3885
Australia
Bill Gates - Healthy means low population growth
Ipswich koalas threatened by habitat loss
Brumby government more interested in profits than the people
Kevin Bracken interviewed on 3CR's Keep Left
Gavin Jennings a curse on the natural world
Green Left are unwitting stooges of Big Business
Market garden ruin helps gov-backed agribusiness - no surprise
No denial of Australia First representatives right of reply
Media dirt digging is why so few enter politics
Media dirt digging is why so few enter politics. Digging up someone's past is mass media sport, especially that of the paparazzi. Dare anyone have an unsavoury past, they shall be condemned to purgatory.
Here, slur as been perpetuated, denying any right of reply by the targeted subject.
I know no-one who does not have some part of their past they do not regret, but is it another's right to publicly condemn them for it in perpetuity?
I wager many a politician, if their past were investigated and made public, would have unsavoury skeletons in the closet - traffic convictions, public drunkenness, AWOL from the Army, unwanted pregnancy, dishonest conduct, shoplifting, mixing with the wrong company. Perhaps I am guilty of all these. I am not a religious person (as some may have gathered) but one Biblical quote here is apt: "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".
Multiple human rights abuses in North Korea
Not everything said of Jim Saleam by Wikipedia is untrue
Obviously as John Marlowe has pointed out Wikipedia can be and has been used as a vehicle for slander (whether or not that is what its creators had intended). However, one fact about Jim Saleam which can't be disputed is that in the 1970's he was a member of the National Socialist Party of Australia in the early 1970's. Images, such as those included below, which have been emblazoned in my memory and the memories of many Australian political activists for decades, prove this beyond doubt
Of course, we can't hold a person's past indefinitely against him. As an example, Ross ("the Skull") May, in the second image,
has come out and publicly repudiated the Big Lie of September 11. Whilst, I can't be absolutely certain of May's motives, this nevertheless gives me hope that even people who, in their youth have promoted such clearly evil causes as Nazism, can, over years, develop compassion for their fellow humans and become forces for good. All the same, I think a frank disclosure by Jim Saleam of this dark mark against his past is necessary for members of the public to have confidence that the true goals of the Australia First Party are its stated goals.
A caution about slander and 'truth' online
As a member of AFP, I have passed on this discussion to AFP to allow them to directly respond. I am not a representative voice of AFP, just support most of their policies.
Slander is about making defamatory comments about someone that are not true.
Scott has made statements about AFP and a member of that party that cast dispersions on the reputation of both. Then in the same comment Scott has stated that the accusations are likely untrue. But the damage has been done. The innocent victim must prove innocence, which is unjust.
So I question Scott's method and consider his slur unfair. An ulterior motive appears confirmed in his subsequent comment above.
Having said that, I defend Scott's right to question and criticise the policies of a political party like AFP. I agree with the need for clarity in policy and platform by AFP and any political party seeking election. People have a right to know what a party stands for and on sensitive issues where it stands if in deed it has a position at all. Why didn't Scott just ask this as a comment instead of perpetuating an unsubstantiated slur?
But I am not a voice for AFP, so I cannot justify or defend AFP.
I am opposed to racial vilification and to bias against any racial group. I support AFP policies, yet there are some issues I don't agree with. And then frankly, what Party has members that agree with everything that the Party says and does?
I do have an issue with the 'predominantly white' quote. At the same time, I would feel uncomfortable if for some reason Australia invited 10 million Africans to Australia and the African culture became the dominant culture in Australia. Equally I would feel uncomfortable if 10 million Americans or Brits rocked up, irrespective of their skin colour. I think the colour thing is irrelevant. It is more an issue of preserving traditional culture (of any country), and on this point I empathise with Aboriginal Australians and what they have endured. This is a complex issue.
A CAUTION ABOUT RELYING ON WIKIPEDIA
As for Wikipedia as a frequent source of 'truth', on AFP and its chairman Jim Saleam, it too is slanderous and has been rejected by both. Yet Wikipedia continues to publish slander, false statements and untruths. Wiki has been approached to have the content removed, yet continues to allow it to be published.
I point out that the authors of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Saleam are a extreme left wing group with a bent on defaming and destroying AFP and its chairman.
If you go to the site and click on 'View History', you will see that a select group of authors have built the Wiki site. They belong to an extreme political group base in Sydney called 'SlackBastard' - check their website: http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com and another group also Sydney based called 'Fight Dem Back' - check their website: http://www.fightdemback.org.
So evaluate the 'truth' of the Wiki now!
You will also notice if you scroll down the Wiki 'View History' that yours truly has contributed to deleting the Wiki material, but each time the material is deleted, Wiki has a automated email update in place and these authors quickly restore the slanderous content. These authors know that people will first check Wikipedia to find out about AFP and its chairman, so these character saboteurs with Wikipedia complicity effectively hold the truth captive.
Imagine if this same slur was on a Wiki for Julia Gillard or Scott or the editors of CanDoBetter. This is a dangerous development in undermining privacy and reputation.
If one types one's name on Google these days ( long it is not as ubiquitous as John Smith) if one has ever posted comments online, the data may still be there for all to see, including potential employers doing background checks. People have been sacked and murdered from what they write on Facebook.
Irrespective of the merits of AFP, online character assassination is scary development, despite all the Australian Government's fan fair motherhood Internet Policing and Privacy Rules.
So my message is be careful what you read and what you write on line - we are each personally vulnerable!
Australia First has good policies, but questions remain
Australia First Party's opposition to Iraq war
Growers in urban sprawl
According to a report in The Weekly Times , Victorian horticulture is being swallowed by the urban sprawl and the results could be devastating.
The ABS reports that peri-urban areas occupy less than 3 per cent of agricultural land they account for more than 25 per cent of the gross value of agriculture production.
Broadacre farming is being given higher priority while horticulture farmers - market gardeners - are being driven from their properties by zoning changes and the soaring value of land.
This may have brought a financial windfall for many of them, despite the GAIC tax, it means that houses are being built over fertile food-production land.
Vegetable Victoria President Luis Gazzola said Victoria would lose its vegetable production industry, and that this would happen unless land with A-class water and a buffer zone was set for the next 100 years. The growth-pushers with so much financial power in our State government are not likely to be interested in our food security, but profits.
To hell with vegetables for the next generations!
According to the Year Book Australia, 2009-10 ABS:
Global population growth of one per cent per year, increased consumption and the diversion of food crops for biofuel production and for intensive feeding of livestock, have all increased the total global demand for food, resulting in food shortages in particular countries.
According to the United Nations, there are currently close to one billion malnourished people globally. Changes in climatic conditions, soil degradation, scarcity of arable land, a decline in the standard of rural infrastructure and use of outdated agricultural practices have affected the global community’s capacity to respond.
The Australian Greenhouse Office's Guide to Climate Science and Impacts records the following consequences of climate change:
* a decrease in available water resources;
* higher temperatures and hence evaporation;
* increased heat stress of livestock causing reduced weight and milk yields;
* reduction in chilling cultivars, viticulture (vineyard yield);
* damage of crops from extreme weather, increased pests and disease outbreaks;
* a reduction of area of arable land from the 'dustbowl effect" and;
* a reduction in crop yield and quality.
Australia has about 6% arable land depending on source of the information, which is less then the size of France (total area).
Australia’s soils and seas are among the most nutrient-poor and unproductive in the world. Only around 6 per cent of the Australian landmass is considered arable – one of the lowest proportions of any country in the world. Australia in Brief: A unique environment
The Committee of Melbourne simply gloss over the crisis:
Although our water resources are stretched and we will need to continue effective management of arable land, here in Melbourne and Australia we are well positioned to service many of these global needs over coming decades.
"Effective management" won't supplement what Nature fails to provide due to concrete!
The eco-suicidal attempt of our governments to maximize our population and at the same time destroy the vessel that is supporting our existence - our ecological systems - is evidence of corruption and a trade-off of long term survival over short term profits, and votes!
Australia First's leaflet "problem"
Frank disclosure of Australia First chairman's past needed
I think we should be careful not rush to judgement about the Australia First Party on the one hand or any of its detractors on the the other.
Whilst I agree that nationalism has been unfairly maligned by much accepted conventional wisdom, there have been variants of it in the 20th and 21st centuries that have been truly ghastly and actually far more harmful the Quisling-style anti-nationalism that has become a mainstream political orthodoxy in countries like Australia. (My fear is that the latter may even turn out to make the former look civilised by comparison, but, thankfully, that has yet to be realised.)
John Marlowe complained of Scott's claim of distribution of racist material earlier this month, which "appear[ed] to have originated from the ... Australia First Party":
So Scott, provide an example of this slanderous trash. Substantiate your information source. Prove your slanderous claims.
Else accept culpability for disseminating slander! Only the gullible or mischievous circulate slanderous rumours. It signals desperation.
What is Scott's unsubstantiated political motive for perpetuating such slander? Is Scott a member of a political party charged to slur other parties?
Why Scott?
A careful reading of Scott's comment shows that he didn't directly claim that the Australia First Party printed the material.
The leaflets appear to have originated from the ultra right-wing Australia First Party. The leader (or "fuhrer" as some claim) of the AFP, Jim Saleam denies his party had anything to do with the distribution of the material.
Of course, I would be interested to know why Scott thought that the material "appear[ed] to have originated from the ... Australia First Party". Nevertheless, I think it could be drawing a long bow to call it a "slanderous claim". In any case, if the Australia First Party did not print and distribute the material that Scott says seems to have originated from them, then, I would be interested to hear them publicly deny it.
Furthermore, I would be interested to know where the Australia First Party stands on the racist statements that Scott has quoted from that leaflet:
Sub-Saharan African males on the most part possess low IQs and high testosterone levels/sex drives, characteristics which make them potential weapons of mass destruction to everyday Australians going about their daily lives.
Does the Australia First Party agree that this is an unsubstantiated racist slander of black African males?
One thing that makes Scott's claim seem not altogether improbable is the past history of Jim Saleam, the current Chairman of the Australia First Party. He was, according to his Wikipedia biography, "a former member of the short-lived National Socialist Party of Australia in the early 1970s."
Whilst a person's past should not always be held against him/her indefinitely, I think we are still entitled, from Jim Saleam and his current organisation, the Australia First Party, a frank disclosure of his past and if, when and why Jim Saleam repudiated that past.
As ugly and dangerous to us as Australia's current Quisling-style, anti-nationalist orthodoxy has become, there are past historical movements that, at least to date, are far more terrible, bloody and dark than that.
The principle of these movements is the seeming opposite of anti-nationalism, that is, racist, fascist nationalism has been most awfully exemplified by Hitler's Nazi (National Socialist) Party which started the Second World War in which the order of 55 million died between 1939 and 1945. Amongst the dead were 6,000,000 jews. mostly murdered in the Nazi gas chambers are Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, etc. Other victims of the Nazi death camps were Gypsies, Poles. socialists, communists, anarchists and homosexuals. In addition, millions more died fighting to defend their countries against invasion, or in fighting to expel the Nazi invaders from their soil. The most horrific death toll, in absolute terms (if not in proportional terms), was that suffered by the Soviet Union. The most widely accepted figure of Soviet deaths is 20 million and, as horrific as that number is, even that is not the highest estimate.
Unless Jim Saleam is prepared to repudiate his past of participation in the National Socialist (Nazi) Party of Australia, an organisation which justifies the abovementioned crimes of the German Nazis, and of which he was a member in the 1970's and explain if, when and why he repudiated Nazism, then naturally, it will be harder to dispel suspicions that he remains a Nazi and that the Australia First Party is no more than a new vehicle to promote Nazism.
Furthermore, if the Australia First Party were to publicly repudiate the racist material quoted by Scott, it would be easier to dispel those suspicions. It would also help the Australia First Party to dispel rumours of its racism if they were to take a public stance against unjust wars which Australia has waged against other countries, in particular the Vietnam War, which, incidentally, members of the Australian Nazi Party actively supported by beating up anti-Vietnam war protestors. They would further help dispel that suspicion by speaking up against the lie used to justify the current war against Afghanistan and (indirectly) the war against Iraq, that is that Islamist extremists, based in Afghanistan, committed the terrorist atrocity of September 11 against the United States in 2001.
Discussion about Australia First
Only the gullible or mischievous circulate slanderous rumours
Re: Above comment by Scott of 20th Nov 2010 'Australia First Party accused of inciting hatred'.
Well who produced and authorised such slanderous leaflets? Not AFP!
Obviously some unscrupulous political extremist group with a clear grievance.
So Scott, provide an example of this slanderous trash. Substantiate your information source. Prove your slanderous claims.
Else accept culpability for disseminating slander! Only the gullible or mischievous circulate slanderous rumours. It signals desperation.
What is Scott's unsubstantiated political motive for perpetuating such slander? Is Scott a member of a political party charged to slur other parties?
Why Scott?
Scott may recall the racist brochure circulated around the federal seat of Lindsay in NSW during the 2007 federal election. [Read: Lindsay Pamphlet Scandal]
'The Lindsay pamphlet scandal was an Australian electoral scandal in which Liberal Party volunteers distributed fake election pamphlets, claiming to be from an Islamic organisation that was later found not to exist, that claimed the Labor Party candidate would support clemency for convicted terrorists and the construction of a mosque in the local area. The incident made national and even international headlines on November 21, 2007, four days before the 2007 Australian Federal election.'
Such slur serves no positive purpose.
Rather than propagating such trash, Scott may wish to reconcile for the readers the inconsistency or otherwise of such slanderous leaflets with what the website of that of the targeted political party. Scott may learn something by having a read of the Australia First platform: Australia First Party website.
Scott may also like to research how consistently in particular the Labor Party has a record of deliberate underhanded slurs against other political parties that dare to contest their electoral turf. Yet despite Labor's immorality and reckless spending and failure of promises, somehow people still vote Labor.
One could name slang Gillard or Abbott or Brown any names under the sun, but it would be wrong because Australian moral standards demand mutual respect for other Australians.
I support political parties that respect Australian values and that includes Australia First Party. Bring on more parties to challenge the selfish irrelevant ones we have currently.
[The above comments are those of John Marlowe and do not seek to represent any political party or the views of this website].
Where's the accountability and transparancy?
Eden Park roo cull permit stays despite protest
Just when we thought we might have a transparent and accountable State government, as promised, we have the news that kangaroos will continue to be "culled" as pests in Whittlesea area, and that there will be a full duck shooting season in Victoria this year.
Where is the sanity, environmental respect and protection for wildlife? With good rains, waterbirds should be allowed to peace to breed and recover their numbers. Already native birds and animals are facing so many obstacles to survival, and now they will have firearms as well.
There is unlikely to be more than 300 kangaroos in the Eden Park area. They will be eliminated, and developers will have access to cleared and sterilized areas for building. The real pests, such as rabbits and other feral animals, will continue their destruction "business as usual".
The hatred and venom towards our native animals is a disease, and illustrates just how environmentally illiterate the public - and governments - are.
See, also, comment "Victorian Government announces a full duck shooting season".